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joner8888

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To all MH bosses:thumb:

Getting too busy, going mad, can`t cope :cry:

Would you --

Take on less and manage as before-

Encourage more to come in and either --

Employ or use a self employed guy.

Tried employing before and found i was nurse maid with every excuse around for time off with pay:Eeek:

What problems can i expect from a self employed guy .
 

Techno

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I'm self employed and get all my work from one company. I get repeat business because I perform. If you employ a subby you can set your own terms but it is finding a good one that is your problem.

The negative for the client is I'm not available at the drop of a hat and I can pick and choose.
 
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Terry

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Save yourself heartache and go down the subcontractor route :thumb: I would never employ anyone again --Finding a good one is the hard bit, who will work to your standards :thumb:Even taking on an apprentice has it's drawbacks :Smile:
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Subby every time
Get rid easy if no good
Don't have to pay when no work
Provide all their own tools
No holiday pay or mess around with PAYE

As already stated problems are
Sorry I am busy this week can't make it
Trust at first set up
Short timing / fiddling
And once we had theft

Pros and cons from both sides we have 2 subbies and apart from availability its perfect for our set up
 

terryandelaine

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Sub contractor every time. Terry works sub contact in off site construction and has never been short of work. Last contract finishes on Friday and then we start our year off.:ROFLMAO:

A good sub contractor in any industry will always be more expensive than a poor one!
 

Techno

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The terms with the company I sub to allow me to employ others to achieve the result but I've never done this as I do the work of two men just because that's how I'm made. I do 11 hour days (their terms) at my charge out rate and have stopped working weekends unless he wants to pay a premium.
The advantages to me are I have as long off work as I dictate but unfortunately my wife is tied to holidays.

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Forestboy

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Sub contractors every time.

When I owned my own company I had 25 ish employees, and in 25 years employing I heard every b*****t excuse why they couldn't work you could think of and then some. When I sold out I ended up running the South Wales operation and inherited 600 staff plus 2 unions to handle :Eeek:

The staff I had the least trouble with were the subbies because I had total control over them. The worst were our own lorry drivers, in the end I contracted out all our transport and got rid of our own. Strange thing though some of my drivers bought their own trucks and I gave them work and they were excellent :Eeek: if only they'd worked the same when employed.:Doh:

Subbies the way to go.:thumb:
 

Forestboy

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Sub contractor every time. Terry works sub contact in off site construction and has never been short of work. Last contract finishes on Friday and then we start our year off.:ROFLMAO:

A good sub contractor in any industry will always be more expensive than a poor one!

True but he'll earn you twice as much as two employees and its so easy to get rid of a poor sub contractor unlike a poor employee.
 
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Sub by every time. All they have is their reputation. No expectation of continued employment if they don't perform.
Wanna guess what I was?

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Only thing I can think of is subbie only works for you and nobody else the tax man might count them as employed. Could be worth checking out rather then further down the road and a big tax bill. Am sure there ways around it.
 

Techno

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I submit invoices fortnightly and get paid by cheque. Being CIS registered the client deducts 20% across the board and my end of year sorts it out, I always get a rebate.
I pay class 2 NI plus 9% on my gross over 7.5k I fund my own holidays. The client wins all round in many respects but I'm not owned.

EDIT naturally my rate is quite higher than being paye employed on industry rates

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JJ

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Are you earning enough to keep you happy?

If yes then I suggest you don't take on more work than you can do with ease.

In an earlier life I was an (4th divison) act.

The moment I was getting more work than I could easily cope with I just put up my fee.

The staggering thing about people is they so often think the more expensive it is then the better it is!

"That Joner is a bit pricey... he must be good".


JJ :Cool:

 
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joner8888

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Are you earning enough to keep you happy?

If yes then I suggest you don't take on more work than you can do with ease.

In an earlier life I was an (4th divison) act.

The moment I was getting more work than I could easily cope with I just put up my fee.

The staggering thing about people is they so often think the more expensive it is then the better it is!

"That Joner is a bit pricey... he must be good".


JJ :Cool:


Yes , I do that now, but I can spend all day , while not working on the phone saying no to overpriced jobs:Eeek:

I don`t want to be rich , just happy-- can I be both:Eeek:
I don't need more money just less stress:thumb:
 

Techno

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How much to respray my X250 front :roflmto:

EDIT bonnet, bumpers and headlight trims only ! all the stone chipped fodder.

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Techno

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The other thing for me is travel.
Last two weeks was Southampton, tomorrow Bristol for three :Doh:

EDIT actually I did a solar fit locally yesterday for Norman who when he gets internet functioning at his new home says he will join the FUN :thumb:
 
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joner8888

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How much to respray my X250 front :roflmto:

EDIT bonnet, bumpers and headlight trims only ! all the stone chipped fodder.
I get this all day, emails, phones hidden away ringing all day , then they just turn up saying the phones are broke:cry:
I just want to work , not talk all day :cry:
 

Techno

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I get this all day, emails, phones hidden away ringing all day , then they just turn up saying the phones are broke:cry:
I just want to work , not talk all day :cry:

There are thousands of x250 cabs out there blathered. You should have a stock answer £££££££££££££ if the price is right you can corner the market :Cool:

Sort out a pricing structure and just pay a retired person who is clever to deal with calls and bookings

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Don't discount employed, their are gooduns about, take my brother, been a motor mechanic since the year dot, on time, never has a day off, and works hard, their are others like him, its just finding them. :Sad:

Wife had three shops and 17 employees, absolute nightmare, now got 1 shop and 3 employees. Stay small is my advice, employed or self employed they can all be a nightmare, you book in work and ten minutes before they are due to start, they phone in sick, so instead of doing your clients, your running around phoning theirs.

Ian
 

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I was going to suggest a retired person, or even 2 retired persons job-sharing.

OK for the first however long, it would take some time to set up The System, you would have to be able to tell this person who you do and don't wish to speak to, but they would be able to say eg. I'm sorry, Mr Joner's decision not to quote for your (poxy, inferred by tone of voice LOL) job is final and he has no wish to discuss it further. Good afternoon.

And callers. Do you have an appointment? No? Oh dear. (sigh)

There does have to be a physical separation between reception for callers and workshop for this to work. And if you have a roller shutter door on the workshop, you are going to have to keep it closed except for shunting, aren't you?

Or whatever you want really!

I'd love it, if I wanted a job.

Or you can just be rude, without being rude. Let's put it like this, Sir. Do you have a six figure sum available to pay me to do this job? No? Good - because even that wouldn't be enough to persuade me to take it on. Goodbye.
 

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I have to be honest, people say to us all the time why don't you employ some staff.
In a previous life I was a contracts manager. Would I like to go back to that stress ?
We will never be rich but we earn enough to be comfortable without any hassle.
Small is good for us.

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Jaws

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Self employed every time for me
So many reasons I would bore the bejeezers out of readers !
 
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We have tried both over the years. Even taking on YTS school leavers years ago to try and train youngsters to "do the job our way".
We ended up with subbies only but still had problems with other work taking priority over ours and one even taking work from us.
In the end we got rid of all and only took on the work my wife and I could cope with.
My advice is to stay small if you can.
 
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joner8888

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We have tried both over the years. Even taking on YTS school leavers years ago to try and train youngsters to "do the job our way".
We ended up with subbies only but still had problems with other work taking priority over ours and one even taking work from us.
In the end we got rid of all and only took on the work my wife and I could cope with.
My advice is to stay small if you can.

Thanks for the advice guys--interesting to see how other employers found things over the years.

Seems as if employing is a NO , maybe use subbies or even just potter on as i am with no one to worry about except me--- it seems people come to me because i am not a national company.

I am going to have to let the answerphone do more work and only call back the jobs i want:thumb:

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I was self employed for 8 years and was proberbly the best time I had untill
I was offered a job with one the biggest crane hire company's in the world for a good salary and I took it for the experience I have been there 8 years and don't regret it at all
but as 60 came and went I made a disison to semi retire and go back self employed again working no more than half of the year
So roll on 1st august and that's me done less work more time for what Elaine and I to do what we want
Elaine retired in April took a little part time job till august but even she has had enough and finishes this week end
Let's see what life chucks at us now roll on august 1st
 

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I would also say I would go the subby route. Having employed people before and got lucky with only 2 out of all of them I would now only sub work out not employ.
 

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l work under my own ltd company as a vetnurse and locum all over the country.
Have decided mid july to end july due to various bits as being non work. Then first 2 weeks in july being a bit of a juggle so l decided sod it take the whole of July off. One of the companies l use to get me work threw 5 different jobs at me today as soon as l said things are slow l am taking July off, now l don't know what to do :ROFLMAO:

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