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[Speve]

We've tried lots of different products and in our old van we even had a SOG but I've now settled on thetford blue sachets they might be slightly dearer (we pay £6.99 from camping international) but they break everything down and there's never a smell, we also use lotus toilet rolls from france as they're designed for Foss tanks so the sheets just break up completely

With a SOG fitted you don't need any additives and everything breaks up naturally with the air flow I do use an occasional washing tab to keep the casset clean never get smells (I know there are those that hate Sogs and park as far away from them as they can) I do change the filter regularly so I'll keep my head down

 

[Feltwell]

We use Brewers Yeast tablets
search on here I did a big write up about the advantages

Same here - works fine, although with 5 of us the loo does get emptied nearly every day so how it fares for longer intervals I don't know.

I hate the smell of the blue stuff - to me it smells worse than the smell it's trying to cover.....

 

[Duck Truck]

Works fine over a longer period
no problem

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[ymfb]

So for someone who is not new to motorhoming but will in ten days time be getting the first with its own bathroom, the choices seem to be

Elsan Blue
Bio liquid
Yeast tablets

 

[ymfb]

And for clarity it's a biological liquid or tablets from a washing machine or dishwasher ?

 

[Jim]

In almost 30 years I think I might have bought one bottle of Elsan blue. Thought the stench of it was worse than the waste With a three gallon Elsan and 5 of us it was never in there for long. Emptying every day. Sometimes twice a day. You just don't need it. With an RV these are vented to the roof so rarely do they smell and the waste breaks down easily.

IMO Spending a tenner to stick it down the loo is just totally unnecessary. That said, mine doesn't smell.

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[Dave K]

Hi.
I have used the Lidl stuff,in various amounts,and the smell coming out of the Loo,is enough to bring tears to a Glass eye. We are back using the Elsan blue,and can now invite people into the m/ho if needed,without them thinking we have a dead cat in the shower room
True,it does "Break your lumps up !" (Any old miners will be smiling,...think conveyor belt) and make the emptying easier,where am i going wrong? Use someone elses loo?
Tea Bag

We've tried it and found the same thing, Elsan blue is much better in my opinion but I'd happily use something more environmentally friendly if it worked as well.

 

[Dave K]

And for clarity it's a biological liquid or tablets from a washing machine or dishwasher ?

Definitely washing machine

 

[TerryL]

We're in the bio washing liquid camp, have used Tesco almost since the beginning. This winter we were running out and as we were visiting Gibraltar went into Morrisons and got a bottle of theirs. Seems to be more effective than Tesco, using the "smell" and "breakdown of contents" standards, but there again we've never had a problem with Tescos and it does keep the cassette nice and clean.

We did find that using more than a capful caused a chemical whiff so never use more. Also we try and empty every day.

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[iandsm]

What about Elsan green, anyone tried that. It is apparently organic and won't harm septic tanks etc.

 

[Tootles]

What about Elsan green, anyone tried that. It is apparently organic and won't harm septic tanks etc.

Heres the sheet for that as well.....

SAFETY DATA SHEET
according to 1907/2006/EC, Article 31
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SECTION 1: Identification of the substance/mixture and of the company/undertaking
1.1. Product identifier
Product name Elsan Organic toilet fluid and rinse
Other means of identification +ORG400, +ORG02, +ORG200
Product code TF-42
1.2. Relevant identified uses of the substance or mixture and uses advised against
Product Use [SU21] Consumer uses: Private households (= general public = consumers); [PC8] Biocidal
products (e.g. Disinfectants, pest control);
1.3. Details of the supplier of the safety data sheet
Company Elsan Limited
Address Bellbrook Park,
Uckfield,
East Sussex TN22 1QF,
England
Web www.elsan.co.uk
Telephone +44 (0) 1825 748200
Fax +44 (0) 1825 761212
Email sales@elsan.co.uk
Email address of the
competent person
sales@elsan.co.uk
1.4. Emergency telephone number
Emergency telephone number +44 (0) 1825 748200
9.00 am - 5.00 pm Mon - Fri
SECTION 2: Hazards identification
2.1. Classification of the substance or mixture
2.1.1. Classification -
67/548/EEC
Xn; R22 Xi; R36
Symbols: Xn: Harmful.
Main hazards Harmful if swallowed. Irritating to eyes.
2.1.2. Classification - EC
1272/2008
Acute Tox. 4: H302; Eye Irrit. 2: H319;
2.2. Label elements
Hazard pictograms
Signal Word Warning
Hazard Statement Acute Tox. 4: H302 - Harmful if swallowed.
Eye Irrit. 2: H319 - Causes serious eye irritation.
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2.2. Label elements
Precautionary Statement:
Prevention
P102 - Keep out of reach of children.
P280 - Wear protective gloves/protective clothing/eye protection/face protection.
Precautionary Statement:
Response
P301+P312 - IF SWALLOWED: Call a POISON CENTER/doctor/ physician /if you feel unwell.
P305+P351+P338 - IF IN EYES: Rinse cautiously with water for several minutes. Remove contact
lenses, if present and easy to do. Continue rinsing.
P337+P313 - If eye irritation persists: Get medical advice/attention.
Precautionary Statement:
Disposal
P501 - Dispose of contents/container to accordance with local requirements on waste disposal
SECTION 3: Composition/information on ingredients
3.1. Substances
67/548/EEC / 1999/45/EC
Chemical Name Index No. CAS No. EC No. REACH Registration
Number
Conc.
(%w/w)
Classification M-factor.
Citric acid 5949-29-1 201-069-1 Xi; R36
2-Bromo-2-nitropropane-1,3-diol 603-085-00-8 52-51-7 200-143-0 Xn; R21/22 Xi; R37/38-41 N;
R50
M=10
C12-15 Pareth-11 68131-39-5 500-195-7 Xn; R22 Xi; R41
Butylphenyl methylpropional 80-54-6 201-289-8 Xn; R22-62 Xi; R38-43 N;
R51/53
Benzyl Salicylate 118-58-1 204-262-9 Xi; R43 N; R51/53
Limonene 601-029-00-7 138-86-3 205-341-0 R10 Xi; R38 R43 N; R50/53
Linalool 78-70-6 201-134-4 Xi; R38
EC 1272/2008
Chemical Name Index No. CAS No. EC No. REACH Registration
Number
Conc.
(%w/w)
Classification M-factor.
Citric acid 5949-29-1 201-069-1 Eye Irrit. 2: H319;
2-Bromo-2-nitropropane-1,3-diol 603-085-00-8 52-51-7 200-143-0 Acute Tox. 4: H312; Acute
Tox. 4: H302; STOT SE 3:
H335; Skin Irrit. 2: H315; Eye
Dam. 1: H318; Aquatic Acute
1: H400;
M=10
C12-15 Pareth-11 68131-39-5 500-195-7 Acute Tox. 4: H302; Eye
Dam. 1: H318; Aquatic
Chronic 3: H412;
Butylphenyl methylpropional 80-54-6 201-289-8 Acute Tox. 4: H302; Skin Irrit.
2: H315; Skin Sens. 1: H317;
Aquatic Chronic 2: H411;
Benzyl Salicylate 118-58-1 204-262-9 Skin Sens. 1: H317; Aquatic
Chronic 2: H411;
Limonene 601-029-00-7 138-86-3 205-341-0 Flam. Liq. 3: H226; Skin Irrit.
2: H315; Skin Sens. 1: H317;
Aquatic Acute 1: H400;
Aquatic Chronic 1: H410;
Linalool 78-70-6 201-134-4 Skin Irrit. 2: H315; Eye Irrit. 2:
H319;
SECTION 4: First aid measures
4.1. Description of first aid measures
Inhalation Inhalation may cause coughing, tightness of the chest and irritation of the respiratory system.
Move the exposed person to fresh air. Seek medical attention.
Eye contact Irritating to eyes. Rinse immediately with plenty of water for 15 minutes holding the eyelids open.
Seek medical attention if irritation or symptoms persist.
Skin contact Irritating to skin. Wash off immediately with plenty of soap and water. Remove contaminated
clothing. Seek medical attention if irritation or symptoms persist.
Ingestion Harmful if swallowed. Ingestion is irritating to the respiratory tract and may cause damage to the
central nervous system. Ingestion may cause nausea and vomiting. If swallowed, seek medical
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4.1. Description of first aid measures
advice immediately and show this container or label. DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING.
4.2. Most important symptoms and effects, both acute and delayed
Inhalation Coughing, difficulty in breathing and in severe cases, loss of consciousness.
Eye contact Irritating to eyes.
Skin contact Irritating to skin.
Ingestion Ingestion may cause nausea and vomiting.
4.3. Indication of any immediate medical attention and special treatment needed
Inhalation Seek medical attention.
Eye contact Seek medical attention.
Skin contact Seek medical attention.
Ingestion Seek medical attention.
General information
Consult a physician. Show this safety data sheet to the doctor in attendance.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 5: Firefighting measures
5.1. Extinguishing media
Carbon dioxide (CO2). Dry chemical. Foam. Use extinguishing media appropriate to the
surrounding fire conditions. Water spray.
5.2. Special hazards arising from the substance or mixture
Burning produces irritating, toxic and obnoxious fumes.
5.3. Advice for firefighters
Wear suitable respiratory equipment when necessary.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 6: Accidental release measures
6.1. Personal precautions, protective equipment and emergency procedures
Ensure adequate ventilation of the working area. Wear suitable protective equipment.
6.2. Environmental precautions
Do not allow product to enter drains. Prevent further spillage if safe.
6.3. Methods and material for containment and cleaning up
Absorb with inert, absorbent material. Sweep up. Transfer to suitable, labelled containers for
disposal. Clean spillage area thoroughly with plenty of water.
6.4. Reference to other sections
For disposal see section 13.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 7: Handling and storage
7.1. Precautions for safe handling
Avoid contact with eyes and skin. Ensure adequate ventilation of the working area.
7.2. Conditions for safe storage, including any incompatibilities
Keep in a cool, dry, well ventilated area. Keep containers tightly closed. Keep away from food,
drink and animal feedingstuffs.
Suitable packaging Keep only in the original container in a cool, well-ventilated place.
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7.3. Specific end use(s)
Apart from the uses mentioned in section 1.2 no other specific uses are stipulated.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 8: Exposure controls/personal protection
8.1. Control parameters
See section 8.2 for further information.
8.2. Exposure controls
8.2.1. Appropriate engineering
controls
Ensure adequate ventilation of the working area.
8.2.2. Individual protection
measures
Wear chemical protective clothing.
Eye / face protection Approved safety goggles.
Skin protection -
Handprotection
Chemical resistant gloves.
Respiratory protection Wear:. Suitable respiratory equipment.
Thermal hazards No data available.
8.2.3. Environmental exposure
controls
No data available.
Occupational exposure
controls
No data available.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 9: Physical and chemical properties
9.1. Information on basic physical and chemical properties
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9.1. Information on basic physical and chemical properties
Appearance Liquid
Colour Green
Odour Characteristic
Odour threshold No data available
pH 2 - 3
Melting point Not applicable.
Freezing Point No data available
Initial boiling point No data available
Flash point Not applicable.
Evaporation rate No data available
Flammability (solid, gas) Not applicable.
Vapour pressure No data available
Vapour density Not applicable.
Relative density 1.105 - 1.12 (H2O = 1 @ 20 °C)
Fat Solubility No data available
Partition coefficient No data available
Autoignition temperature Not applicable.
Viscosity 30 sec. 4 mm (ISO 2431)
Explosive properties Not applicable.
Oxidising properties Not applicable.
Solubility Miscible in water
9.2. Other information
Conductivity No data available
Surface tension No data available
Gas group Not applicable.
Benzene Content Not applicable.
Lead content Not applicable.
VOC (Volatile organic
compounds)
Not applicable.
SECTION 10: Stability and reactivity
10.1. Reactivity
No data is available on this product.
10.2. Chemical stability
Stable under recommended storage conditions.
10.3. Possibility of hazardous reactions
No data is available on this product.
10.4. Conditions to avoid
No data is available on this product.
10.5. Incompatible materials
No data is available on this product.
10.6. Hazardous decomposition products
No data is available on this product.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 11: Toxicological information
11.1. Information on toxicological effects
No data is available on this product.
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11.1. Information on toxicological effects
Acute toxicity May cause irritation to skin and eyes.
11.1.2. Mixtures
No data available.
11.1.3. Hazard Information
No data available.
11.1.4. Toxicological Information
No data available
11.1.5. Hazard Class
No data available.
11.1.6. Classification Criteria
No data available.
11.1.7. Information on likely routes of exposure
No data available.
11.1.8. Symptoms related to the physical, chemical and toxicological characteristics
No data available.
11.1.9. Delayed and immediate effects as well as chronic effects from short and long-term exposure
No data available.
11.1.10. Interactive effects
No data available.
11.1.11. Absence of specific data
No data available.
11.1.12. Mixture versus substance information
No data available.
11.1.13. Other information
No data available.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 12: Ecological information
12.1. Toxicity
No data available
12.2. Persistence and degradability
No data is available on this product.
12.3. Bioaccumulative potential
No data is available on this product.
12.4. Mobility in soil
No data is available on this product.
12.5. Results of PBT and vPvB assessment
No data is available on this product.
12.6. Other adverse effects
No data is available on this product.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 13: Disposal considerations
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General information
Dispose of in compliance with all local and national regulations.
Disposal methods
This material and its container must be disposed of in a safe way.
Disposal of packaging
Containers must be recycled in compliance with national legislation and environmental regulations.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 14: Transport information
ADR/RID
The product is not classified as dangerous for carriage.
IMDG
The product is not classified as dangerous for carriage.
IATA
The product is not classified as dangerous for carriage.
Further information
The product is not classified as dangerous for carriage.
SECTION 15: Regulatory information
15.1. Safety, health and environmental regulations/legislation specific for the substance or mixture
Regulations COMMISSION REGULATION (EU) No 453/2010 of 20 May 2010 amending Regulation (EC) No
1907/2006 of the European Parliament and of the Council on the Registration, Evaluation,
Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals (REACH), establishing a European Chemicals Agency,
amending Directive 1999/45/EC and repealing Council Regulation (EEC) No 793/93 and
Commission Regulation (EC) No 1488/94 as well as Council Directive 76/769/EEC and
Commission Directives 91/155/EEC, 93/67/EEC, 93/105/EC and 2000/21/EC. REGULATION (EC)
No 1907/2006 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 18 December 2006
concerning the Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals (REACH),
establishing a European Chemicals Agency, amending Directive 1999/45/EC and repealing
Council Regulation (EEC) No 793/93 and Commission Regulation (EC) No 1488/94 as well as
Council Directive 76/769/EEC and Commission Directives 91/155/EEC, 93/67/EEC, 93/105/EC and
2000/21/EC. The surfactant(s) contained in this preparation complies (comply) with the
biodegradability criteria as laid down in regulation (EC) No. 648/2004 on detergents.
15.2. Chemical safety assessment
For this product a chemical safety assessment was not carried out.
Further information
No additional information available.
SECTION 16: Other information
Other information
Revision This document differs from the previous version in the following areas:.
9 - 9.1. Information on basic physical and chemical properties (Odour).
Text of risk phrases in Section
3
R10 - Flammable
R21/22 - Harmful in contact with skin and if swallowed.
R22 - Harmful if swallowed.
R36 - Irritating to eyes.
R37/38 - Irritating to respiratory system and skin.
R38 - Irritating to skin.
R41 - Risk of serious damage to eyes.
R43 - May cause sensitisation by skin contact.
R50/53 - Very toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic
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environment.
R50 - Very toxic to aquatic organisms.
R51/53 - Toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic
environment.
R62 - Possible risk of impaired fertility.
Text of Hazard Statements in
Section 3
Eye Irrit. 2: H319 - Causes serious eye irritation.
Acute Tox. 4: H302 - Harmful if swallowed.
Acute Tox. 4: H312 - Harmful in contact with skin.
Skin Irrit. 2: H315 - Causes skin irritation.
Eye Dam. 1: H318 - Causes serious eye damage.
STOT SE 3: H335 - May cause respiratory irritation.
Aquatic Acute 1: H400 - Very toxic to aquatic life.
Aquatic Chronic 3: H412 - Harmful to aquatic life with long lasting effects.
Skin Sens. 1: H317 - May cause an allergic skin reaction.
Aquatic Chronic 2: H411 - Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects.
Flam. Liq. 3: H226 - Flammable liquid and vapour.
Aquatic Chronic 1: H410 - Very toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects.
Further information
The information supplied in this Safety Data Sheet is designed only as guidance for the safe use,
storage and handling of the product. This information is correct to the best of our knowledge and
belief at the date of publication however no guarantee is made to its accuracy. This information
relates only to the specific material designated and may not be valid for such material used in
combination with any other materials or in any other process.
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[Greenway]

When I changed from a caravan to a motorhome with no toilet flush tank. I put the pink flush fluid in a spray bottle to spray the bowl before flushing. I also use bio washing fluid but originally thought it was a bit smelly, so tried it without using pink spray and that seemed to do the trick. So I think the bio action is not helped by using the pink flushing spray.

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[eddie]

You can buy American capsules of stuff to go in a black tank, or use Elsan blue or any other sort, or bio liquid, or some use cheap coke. Personally in seven years, I have never had a need for anything in our black tank. And, with a 45gal capacity it can be in there for weeks. Never had any trouble or smells. If there was ever the slightest whiff, Management's SuperNose would be on the case and I would certainly know about it. Remember, the blade is only open during flushing the rest of the time a big spring seals in closed. Even during emptying it's ok, its the grey water that really pen and inks, when dumping.

I agree, I used to religiously use Elsan in my black tanks and one weekend I totally forgot, and, to my surprise made no difference

I guess the advantage is that the black tank is down in the Bowles of the camper, and the tank has a domestic style soil/vent pipe right up to the roof so lots of air into the tank

In a service locker I keep emergency blue capsules, which if there was a need could be chucked in

I love by the mantra that before setting off, if it should full, fill it, so gas, fridge and water tanks are full. And if it should be empty, empty it, which applies to black and great tanks. Last Christmas/New Year we stayed for nearly three weeks in sub zero, temperatures and had the tank heaters of 24/7 and did wonder if that would have an 'ordorous effect' but dumping before we left the site was normal, just took a little bit longer, due to the volume

So, give it a go, nothing to loose and a lot to gain, if it doesn't work for your setup, pour in some Blue

 

[iandsm]

Jav

When I changed from a caravan to a motorhome with no toilet flush tank. I put the pink flush fluid in a spray bottle to spray the bowl before flushing. I also use bio washing fluid but originally thought it was a bit smelly, so tried it without using pink spray and that seemed to do the trick. So I think the bio action is not helped by using the pink flushing spray.

Having read the above, admittedly not in its entirety I have concluded, taking into account all the other available evidence from contributors to this forum and from outside sources that the most appropriate comment I can apply to the subject is....informed as I am why would I now want to use the crap.

 

[vwalan]

best advice i can give is contact your local water company. get a visit to a local sewage works .
i,m sure you will find it very interesting .
while there have a chat ,question the workers on blue chemicals in fact any of the so called ones .
it really can be a very interesting trip.
you may even get allowed to visit a fresh water works ,again very interesting .
down here schools get regular trips . they love it .learn alot in short time .

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[DangerMousy]

Last year we were using the Thetford chemicals (got them with the MH) - really didn't like the smell...very chemically smelling and I don't think they even did a good job of breaking stuff down

We switched a bio liquitab in the cassette and very dilute Elsan Organic in the flush this year - its so much nicer. I'm lazy so I don't tend to empty it until the light comes on, but even after a few days I can't say that I've noticed much of a small. And whilst I wouldn't say its a pleasure to empty the cassette its certainly a vast improvement on last year. I also think the cassette rinses out much quicker too.

 

[Tootles]

We switched a bio liquitab in the cassette and very dilute Elsan Organic in the flush this year - its so much nicer.

What this is all down to is 'THE SMELL' That's caused my micro organisms noshing away in the tank, and farting as they do.......I kid you not. By adding anything containing formaldehyde, or even bleach, your killing the little guys off, so they cant fart.