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For mamy electric car owners the infrastructure is already there - you just plug into a 13a socket at home and charge overnight
I agree that the infrastructure is there, but, how many all electric cars are going to last 12 hours stuck in freezing cold, then how many hours of crawling traffic to endure to get (if they’ve got enough “ziggys” left) to next available plug.
And judging by the way car manufacturers have had our pants down regarding mpg figures, the government telling us in the past to buy “ cleaner,efficient diesel”, then tell us that it’s The devils fuel...
if you want to drive into a city... that will be ££££ sir..
Want to drive between the hours of ???
That will be £££££ sir.
I can just see the powers that be are going to con us again. (A bit like smart meters).
And gas....only last week we were told we had hours of gas left... but no problems we will shut all manufacturing down,, GDP will drop again, to save gas, for the Albanian refugees that live in a newly built council house, claiming everything and keeping warm.....
Moan over..
And breath :):):):):)
 
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Its probably a good thing what's happened with the weather this week, designers can now look at factoring in additional things to electric cars. The difficult things is making it work in real life situations. There will be a lot of clever people working on this as we speak, I am optimistic because huge amounts of money will be thrown at it.
 

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Energy from waste
Tidal
Nuclear
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Wind power
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Sources of power?.



From Waste:- This I know quite a lot about as we are fighting the construction of the largest ever built in the UK right next to the village!. Over 1550 extra trucks a year, creating 30+tons of C02, Using thousands of gallons of diesel, carrying vile smelling loads. A plant which is the size of a small chemical works, planted on class 2 agricultural land. Effluent sludge which NO ONE will take, but if it escapes from storage into the environment, being devoid of oxygen it will take out most of the wildlife and pollute miles of waterway!, and possibly aquifers. It is sited within 700yards of a village primary school, and has the explosive potential to shower debris over a mile radius. Yes, everyone wants one? don't they?. And for what, the comparative energy output of less than 10 min burning of an old coal fired station!



Tidal:- The best known one is on the Gironde. and has been going for some 30years. there are now serious concerns that it is responsible for silting of the river, which has been a factor in recent flooding back up in the river system. The one time proposed Severn barrier has been shelved on cost grounds, (but they still want to build HS2?).



Nuclear:- Yes, the technology is still viable but the waste and it's security is an ever greater issue. The lack of investment in the past means that we now have the Chinese and French Funding Hinkley Point 3. Not coming online for 10 years and which like ALL the so called "Green" power sources will never get built without Government (our tax) "subsidies". (Fusion BTW has been mooted since the 50`s and is still no nearer than it was then)



Biomass:- In a country the size of Britain is it at all practical to deliberately use FOOD producing land to grow fuel. Or are we proposing to ship it in from (say) the USA?, as we currently do with wood pellets instead of burning the millions of tonnes of dead wood, (good coal) still underground. IMV, it is a total waste of productive land!? Burning it to produce power will put as much CO-2 into the atmosphere as burning coal. Using it as feedstock for Anaerobic digestion has the same polluting effects as using waste matter, see the first paragraph.



Wind Power:- The fact is that relying on the vagaries of the wind is problematical. Quite apart from being an UGLY blight of the landscape, and we have enough of them without hundreds more wind farms, the ones I can see from the end of my road are stationary as often as running. Strangely the one owned by a local farmer to supply his pig unit seems to run virtually all the time! And, of course, NO ONE would put them up without having the substantial "feed in tariff" (more stealth Taxation). "Offshore" ones, are even more expensive to maintain, needing special care due to the nature of the salt laden environment.



Hydro:- Yes, up in the hills of Wales and Scotland, it might resonate. Down in South Lincolnshire. I doubt it. The other issue of course is that the water has to be collected and stored flooding valleys, agricultural land and sometimes homes. And having past through the turbines needs to be stored again, as it is as much needed for human and animal / agricultural consumption purposes. The whole Hydro section has been pretty much sewn up, can you think of any suitable places?.

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Or the drivers are that switched on that they took notice of all the weather warnings, did what they were advised and stayed at home. People knew this was coming and the forecasts were accurate about where it would hit and on which day. The authorities should be fining any driver caught out by this storm.
I get your point Camdoon but a fair number of people were on the roads because their work insisted ... my daughter’s boyfriend came off the road in snow on the way to work at Aldi - ok but shaken, asked if he could leave work early to get home in the light, that was refused and he was told he’d have to be in the next day however bad the roads were ...
 
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Sources of power?.



From Waste:- This I know quite a lot about as we are fighting the construction of the largest ever built in the UK right next to the village!. Over 1550 extra trucks a year, creating 30+tons of C02, Using thousands of gallons of diesel, carrying vile smelling loads. A plant which is the size of a small chemical works, planted on class 2 agricultural land. Effluent sludge which NO ONE will take, but if it escapes from storage into the environment, being devoid of oxygen it will take out most of the wildlife and pollute miles of waterway!, and possibly aquifers. It is sited within 700yards of a village primary school, and has the explosive potential to shower debris over a mile radius. Yes, everyone wants one? don't they?. And for what, the comparative energy output of less than 10 min burning of an old coal fired station!



Tidal:- The best known one is on the Gironde. and has been going for some 30years. there are now serious concerns that it is responsible for silting of the river, which has been a factor in recent flooding back up in the river system. The one time proposed Severn barrier has been shelved on cost grounds, (but they still want to build HS2?).



Nuclear:- Yes, the technology is still viable but the waste and it's security is an ever greater issue. The lack of investment in the past means that we now have the Chinese and French Funding Hinkley Point 3. Not coming online for 10 years and which like ALL the so called "Green" power sources will never get built without Government (our tax) "subsidies". (Fusion BTW has been mooted since the 50`s and is still no nearer than it was then)



Biomass:- In a country the size of Britain is it at all practical to deliberately use FOOD producing land to grow fuel. Or are we proposing to ship it in from (say) the USA?, as we currently do with wood pellets instead of burning the millions of tonnes of dead wood, (good coal) still underground. IMV, it is a total waste of productive land!? Burning it to produce power will put as much CO-2 into the atmosphere as burning coal. Using it as feedstock for Anaerobic digestion has the same polluting effects as using waste matter, see the first paragraph.



Wind Power:- The fact is that relying on the vagaries of the wind is problematical. Quite apart from being an UGLY blight of the landscape, and we have enough of them without hundreds more wind farms, the ones I can see from the end of my road are stationary as often as running. Strangely the one owned by a local farmer to supply his pig unit seems to run virtually all the time! And, of course, NO ONE would put them up without having the substantial "feed in tariff" (more stealth Taxation). "Offshore" ones, are even more expensive to maintain, needing special care due to the nature of the salt laden environment.



Hydro:- Yes, up in the hills of Wales and Scotland, it might resonate. Down in South Lincolnshire. I doubt it. The other issue of course is that the water has to be collected and stored flooding valleys, agricultural land and sometimes homes. And having past through the turbines needs to be stored again, as it is as much needed for human and animal / agricultural consumption purposes. The whole Hydro section has been pretty much sewn up, can you think of any suitable places?.

We are doomed Mr Mannering doomed,,,,Not really worried to much,,,73 next,,anything they do now i won't see the benefit of,,,Just hope the next generation get it sorted which knowing the human race i think they will,,BUSBY,,
 
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Or the drivers are that switched on that they took notice of all the weather warnings, did what they were advised and stayed at home. People knew this was coming and the forecasts were accurate about where it would hit and on which day. The authorities should be fining any driver caught out by this storm.
We were all on call - to keep telelcoms / data centres up and running. Most of the technical sites we cover host blue light services, hospitals, local authorities, mobile telecoms access networks, "lifeline" servcies - plus all the business / residentials etc. Also, it allows likes of you can post pishe to the internet, or crack one off over pornhub.
Maybe you need to give your ill-informed post a little more thought eh ?

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Why worry?

By the time we all have electric cars global warming will have taken care of cold weather.....;)
 
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Energy from waste
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Nuclear
Biomass
Wind power
Hydro

All work in the dark
I remember a power from waste plant in devon that needed upgrading. needed 500k spent but council didn't want to preferring to convonce everyone that a new landfill was the way to go.Fast forward a few years & more hand wringing from the same lot over " need to build a new power from waste plant" that where they want to site no one wants !! Last one was on a industrial estate.

Tidal = they were talking about that 50 years ago when I was a child nothings changed.

Nuclear = way to go.should have been ongoing builds over the years.

Biomass? Really. You ever had one wanting to be built next to you? Have you had lived next to one?
the stuff they feed it with is, in most cases, specifically grown to feed them & has no other use whatsoever.

Wind power =yes it works after a fashion when there is wind......of the right speed.
Hydro= works well if you have the landscape for it & more should have been done using it years ago.
 
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Reports in the news say that the recent bad weather has cost £1 billion per day in lost “whatever”....
How many snowploughs running 24/7 can that buy....

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It's winter, it comes once a year every year without fail, sometimes it snows, sometimes it gets windy, some times it rains. Why the hysteria?
 

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We are doomed Mr Mannering doomed,,,,Not really worried to much,,,73 next,,anything they do now i won't see the benefit of,,,Just hope the next generation get it sorted which knowing the human race i think they will,,BUSBY,,
 

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One sure way of saving the planet:):)

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Global Warming = Excuse to raise more indirect taxation to fund the grandiose schemes proposed by egotistical posers.:rolleyes:

Example HS-2. Going to knock 20 min off a journey to Birmingham?. At an eye-watering cost.

P.s. Who the hell in their right mind wants to go to Birmingham anyway?
 
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Global Warming = Excuse to raise more indirect taxation to fund the grandiose schemes proposed by egotistical posers.:rolleyes:

Example HS-2. Going to knock 20 min off a journey to Birmingham?. At an eye-watering cost.

P.s. Who the hell in their right mind wants to go to Birmingham anyway?

Its only 1 hour 25 mins now from London,,plenty quick enough,,BUSBY,,

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For mamy electric car owners the infrastructure is already there - you just plug into a 13a socket at home and charge overnight

And for many in my area their car is parked a few hundred yards away from their homes,,would need some bloody long cables,,,BUSBY..:):)
 
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I am not going to rebutt all your negativity but will pick this one up and give it a go.

Tidal:- The best known one is on the Gironde. and has been going for some 30years. there are now serious concerns that it is responsible for silting of the river, which has been a factor in recent flooding back up in the river system. The one time proposed Severn barrier has been shelved on cost grounds, (but they still want to build HS2?).

1st thing 30 years ago they couldn't model river flows. Today we can in great detail due to improvements in computers and data modeling sciences.

However, not necessary. We are looking at doing it using lagoons which will be away from river mouths so won't affect the silting as much if at all.

No matter which energy source you choose there are negative side effects. How you mitigate them and at what cost is the issue.
 

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I am not going to rebutt all your negativity but will pick this one up and give it a go.



1st thing 30 years ago they couldn't model river flows. Today we can in great detail due to improvements in computers and data modeling sciences.

However, not necessary. We are looking at doing it using lagoons which will be away from river mouths so won't affect the silting as much if at all.

No matter which energy source you choose there are negative side effects. How you mitigate them and at what cost is the issue.
Personally, I’d take tidal providing 60-80% of the UK power requirements from 6 tidal generators and accept the impact on those local areas countering with protecting other areas around the coast more rigidly.

As for electric cars and real world use - my opinion is we are there now with the main stream catching up. A Tesla owner now would have no issues with being stuck on M6, etc, a Leaf owner would already know the limitations of their car and not be there. Same cannot be said for a number of rear wheel drive BMW drivers in the last week.

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Personally, I’d take tidal providing 60-80% of the UK power requirements from 6 tidal generators and accept the impact on those local areas countering with protecting other areas around the coast more rigidly.
Totally agree. We should be rolling out offshore wind, Tidal and solar as fast as we can, combined with grid scale storage. If we were to push at this we could be a net exporter of electric within a decade perhaps 15 years.
 
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PS: I would rather the money being spent on HS2 which only benefits a minority was spent on projects like the Swansea Tidal Barrage which will benefit the whole country.

The tidal barrage at swansea is a test bed so is more expensive than the next ones will be. But it will cost around £1.3Bn to build.
HS2 is already pushing at £60 Bn. So we could have over 45 Swansea tidal Barrages for one HS2.

Even better is the Cardiff one which has enough generating capacity to supply the whole of wales with electric and will cost £8Bn. The output is the same as the new Hinkley plant but will have a cost of £60-£70/MWh, will last 100-150 years and have no hazardous nuclear waste to dispose of. Lets have 8 Cardiff Bay style Tidal Lagoons.. We would then be able to close the coal plants completely and reduce our Gas reliance big time...
 
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Global Warming!!!!what the f..k happened last week?? Busby.
Global warming was made redundant, joining acid rain and the "hole in the ozone layer".
All are now being outsourced under the umbrella "climate change" :roflmto:

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1st thing 30 years ago they couldn't model river flows.

In the 1970`s They created the Humber Tidal Model in a Huge Unit alongside the entrance to King George V dock in Hull. For many years they did physical modelling on the flows etc in the river Humber and the results where published in a report. 1974.

http://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/catalogue/1428252

In my view, closing the deep coal mines, and shutting the coal power stations is ultimately going to cost this country. We have left ourselves at the mercy of outside suppliers and we will ultimately regret it. The lights very nearly went out last week. Most days we are at the mercy of the French Cross Channel link. NO new supplies can come online quick enough to prevent that. Energy Security, has been sacrificed at the Altar of Raving Green Lunacy!.
 
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In the 1970`s They created the Humber Tidal Model in a Huge Unit alongside the entrance to King George V dock in Hull. For many years they did physical modelling on the flows etc in the river Humber and the results where published in a report. 1974.

http://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/catalogue/1428252

In my view, closing the deep coal mines, and shutting the coal power stations is ultimately going to cost this country. We have left ourselves at the mercy of outside suppliers and we will ultimately regret it. The lights very nearly went out last week. Most days we are at the mercy of the French Cross Channel link. NO new supplies can come online quick enough to prevent that. Energy Security, has been sacrificed at the Altar of Raving Green Lunacy!.

Fully agree,,tons of unmined coal and surrounded by fish and we can't have either,,Clever buggers politicians,,,,BUSBY,,

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Or the drivers are that switched on that they took notice of all the weather warnings, did what they were advised and stayed at home. People knew this was coming and the forecasts were accurate about where it would hit and on which day. The authorities should be fining any driver caught out by this storm.

Weather warnings my arse.

So would you not bother to call an ambulance, expecting them to be closed?.

The real truth is. Most drivers are not equipped or prepared for the storms. That and the road should have been kept open.

Read my posts about my wife's Client. Quadraplegic Amputee who she had to travel to, get out of bed and be ready to get a train from Manchester to Bolton. But the able bodied PT's, 3 of them failed to turn in for work. Utter bull shit.

Winter Tyres should be made mandatory.
The relevant authorities should be able to cope.

Come on, look at Sweden as an example. Never closed Stockholm airport due to snow. Airlines fly from the UK to Finland every year for lapland trips.

Get a grip.
 
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Take a look at where our electricity come from. http://grid.iamkate.com/
Watch it over time we don't use coal in the summer but its a good job we still have it, as its needed to keep the lights on in the winter.
Hydroelectric hardly registers and wind varies wildly.
In reality most of our electricity is imported most of it in the form of gas.
 

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Everybody get their Knickers in a Twist over this, the fact remains, this type of weather comes in recorded cycles, has done since "God was a lad". In the 15th Century the Thames froze, Etc; We get this weather infrequently, which means. Unlike the Scandinavians and the Canadians, It is not "economic" to keep huge reserves of plant and treatment "on standby", deteriorating in sheds for years on end just waiting for a "one off".

The Game Plan would only include the bare essentials required to keep the lights on, and the Hospitals and comm`s going, every one else should take the time off or work from home where possible. Even food / household goods shortages are avoidable if stores kept a sufficient reserve of Basics In house during the Winter period, instead of playing the "just in time" transport game to save on profits.

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