DVLA what a shambles !

[headlight]

DVLA are a complete shambles.
I sold a car on 26th February and am still waiting for the owner/keeper details to be updated to the new owner.
So far since selling it I have received 17 motoring penalties, all committed by the new owner obviously, and despite getting in touch with DVLA several times nothing has been done.
They told me that they have a 3 month backlog due to staff shortages.
The fines are mounting up.

 

[chaser]

DVLA are a complete shambles.
I sold a car on 26th February and am still waiting for the owner/keeper details to be updated to the new owner.
So far since selling it I have received 17 motoring penalties, all committed by the new owner obviously, and despite getting in touch with DVLA several times nothing has been done.
They told me that they have a 3 month backlog due to staff shortages.
The fines are mounting up.

Have you done it online, useually straight away if you do, has the other person sent the other bit in?

 

[Phill D]

Best way is to transfer ownership online and it's immediate.

That's what I did 2 months ago. He had hardly driven out of our driveway and I had updated the owner on line and had a confirmation email.

 

[nicholsong]

DVLA are a complete shambles.
I sold a car on 26th February and am still waiting for the owner/keeper details to be updated to the new owner.
So far since selling it I have received 17 motoring penalties, all committed by the new owner obviously, and despite getting in touch with DVLA several times nothing has been done.
They told me that they have a 3 month backlog due to staff shortages.
The fines are mounting up.

You did not know?

 

[Two on Tour]

Always do our transfers online, quick and easy.

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[pappajohn]

Hope you got a dated receipt when you sold it otherwise it's probably up to you to accept the penalties.
It sounds like the new owner had no intention of sending in their part judging by the number of offences

 

[headlight]

I gave the new owner the new owners slip and sent the V5 off.
I can"t do it online, which I didn"t know I could do at the time, as now not having the V5 I don"t have the required 11 or 12 digit reference number.

 

[headlight]

Hope you got a dated receipt when you sold it otherwise it's probably up to you to accept the penalties.
It sounds like the new owner had no intention of sending in their part judging by the number of offences

Yes I"ve got a receipt a copy of which I have since sent to DVLA but they said it is taking up to 10 weeks to open mail.
The buyer committed 3 offences, 2 the same, within 24 hours.
He then drove to London and committed a load of ULEZ and congestion charge offences.
Since then he has committed various offences including no tax, no mot and no insurance.
I have since checked (visited) the address he gave me and it is an empty unit.

 

[Odd-no-more]

I have always made a copy of the V5 as soon as I get it, I keep the copy when I sell on until everything is updated. As other people have said do the transfer online and it only takes minutes

 

[chaser]

Yes I"ve got a receipt a copy of which I have since sent to DVLA but they said it is taking up to 10 weeks to open mail.
The buyer committed 3 offences, 2 the same, within 24 hours.
He then drove to London and committed a load of ULEZ and congestion charge offences.
Since then he has committed various offences including no tax, no mot and no insurance.
I have since checked (visited) the address he gave me and it is an empty unit.

Sounds as if was planned, he has no intention of sending it in as he won't be paying fines either , receipt is only a bit of paper that you could have done yourself, I would say you are in a bit of lumber here , one road or another

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[62272]

They’re winding you up! Sorry to ruin their fun . You will not be held accountable, if you advise the relevant authorities that you sold the vehicle on ‘date’ and that you were not the owner of the vehicle at the time of the alleged offence. A bit of a pain but you cannot be held responsible for the actions of others (in this case) if you had sold the vehicle and the DVLA are dragging their feet.

 

[chaser]

They’re winding you up! Sorry to ruin their fun . You will not be held accountable, if you advise the relevant authorities that you sold the vehicle on ‘date’ and that you were not the owner of the vehicle at the time of the alleged offence. A bit of a pain but you cannot be held responsible for the actions of others (in this case) if you had sold the vehicle and the DVLA are dragging their feet.

No wind up , think, not for one minute suggesting this is the case.
But what proof is there that the op wasn't driving the motor?
Sending in the log book with a new address that doesn't exist and a piece of paper that anyone could have done, but no word of the other bloke.
Further more all evidence, such as it is has now gone, and could be lost for ever at dvla.
The motor is probably in someone else's hands now.

 

[Landy Andy]

It’s nothing unusual, the only problem is the delay and amount of time the dvla are taking. Once the dvla deal with the paperwork the issue goes. Just sit tight and wait. Can’t see what else you can do.

 

[PP Bear]

Yes I"ve got a receipt a copy of which I have since sent to DVLA but they said it is taking up to 10 weeks to open mail.
The buyer committed 3 offences, 2 the same, within 24 hours.
He then drove to London and committed a load of ULEZ and congestion charge offences.
Since then he has committed various offences including no tax, no mot and no insurance.
I have since checked (visited) the address he gave me and it is an empty unit.

Sounds like they knew the DVLA delays and have abused it.

Was it an expensive sale?

 

[62272]

No wind up , think, not for one minute suggesting this is the case.
But what proof is there that the op wasn't driving the motor?
Sending in the log book with a new address that doesn't exist and a piece of paper that anyone could have done, but no word of the other bloke.
Further more all evidence, such as it is has now gone, and could be lost for ever at dvla.
The motor is probably in someone else's hands now.

Sorry I thought it must have been a wind-up. I understand your point, however if the op’s word is not accepted then it will be for the prosecuting authority to prove that ‘he/she’ is not telling the truth, and disprove the fact that they did not in fact sell their vehicle. The statement made by the op will be taken in good faith, unless proved otherwise. and DVLA stating that they cannot find any such paperwork would not be sufficient proof that the op was lying.

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[Podney]

It’s nothing unusual, the only problem is the delay and amount of time the dvla are taking. Once the dvla deal with the paperwork the issue goes. Just sit tight and wait. Can’t see what else you can do.

Police? The vehicle is probably being used for criminal activities.

 

[Landy Andy]

I can’t see the police being at all interested yet. They don’t care anyway, and it’s only minor offences currently.

 

[Chris]

Dare I say the delay is because they are all WFH?

 

[Pjdow]

It’s nothing unusual, the only problem is the delay and amount of time the dvla are taking. Once the dvla deal with the paperwork the issue goes. Just sit tight and wait. Can’t see what else you can do.

But does the problem of the fines go away?

The fines will have been issued by different organisations who will want the payment.

DVLA will eventually update the V5, b ut it will be up to the OP to contact each issuer and prove the sale. That whole process will be difficult.

Is there also proof of proof of posting?

 

[chaser]

But does the problem of the fines go away?

The fines will have been issued by different organisations who will want the payment.

DVLA will eventually update the V5, b ut it will be up to the OP to contact each issuer and prove the sale. That whole process will be difficult.

Is there also proof of proof of posting?

Will they update it though with no sign of the other bloke , they can't update it to someone who doesn't exist.

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[62272]

But does the problem of the fines go away?

The fines will have been issued by different organisations who will want the payment.

DVLA will eventually update the V5, b ut it will be up to the OP to contact each issuer and prove the sale. That whole process will be difficult.

Is there also proof of proof of posting?

There is a section on each fine/notice of intended prosecution to state if you have sold or transferred your vehicle (prior to the time of the alleged offence taking place) please give details of the person you sold or transferred it to. Job done!

 

[Pjdow]

There is a section on each fine/notice of intended prosecution to state if you have sold or transferred your vehicle (prior to the time of the alleged offence taking place) please give details of the person you sold or transferred it to. Job done!

Assuming they were returned prior to the 28(?) day deadline. The vehicle was sold 9-10 weeks ago.

However if DVLA have not updated their system, filling in the back of a ticket with a fictisious name and address may not solve the problem as simply as you describe.

 

[Emmit]

No wind up , think, not for one minute suggesting this is the case.
But what proof is there that the op wasn't driving the motor?
Sending in the log book with a new address that doesn't exist and a piece of paper that anyone could have done, but no word of the other bloke.
Further more all evidence, such as it is has now gone, and could be lost for ever at dvla.
The motor is probably in someone else's hands now.

One doesn't need proof.
Surely, if the OP had been living a blameless life up and until he sold the vehicle, that alone is circumstantial evidence that he suddenly didn't start going off the rails.
In addition, just because one can perform a function online does not mean that any other method is illegal.
Also, just to add fuel, what is to stop the owner of a vehicle going online and falsely claiming they have sold the vehicle.
No need to get Insurance, No tax, No MOT.

It works both ways.

 

[chaser]

One doesn't need proof.
Surely, if the OP had been living a blameless life up and until he sold the vehicle, that alone is circumstantial evidence that he suddenly didn't start going off the rails.
In addition, just because one can perform a function online does not mean that any other method is illegal.
Also, just to add fuel, what is to stop the owner of a vehicle going online and falsely claiming they have sold the vehicle.
No need to get Insurance, No tax, No MOT.

It works both ways.

Your last paragraph just shows up what could happen, and that is the crux of this situation that the op finds himself in and the fact that he now has no evidence that anyone actually bought the vehicle.
Good reputation or not ,there is just no other evidence unless the buyer comes forward.
I am in full sympathy with the op and not suggesting that this is the case but at the moment it all comes back to him I'm afraid.

 

[chaser]

One doesn't need proof.
Surely, if the OP had been living a blameless life up and until he sold the vehicle, that alone is circumstantial evidence that he suddenly didn't start going off the rails.
In addition, just because one can perform a function online does not mean that any other method is illegal.
Also, just to add fuel, what is to stop the owner of a vehicle going online and falsely claiming they have sold the vehicle.
No need to get Insurance, No tax, No MOT.

It works both ways.

Another point is yes he could have done it online, but even then you can't say it now belongs to someone who doesn't exist and I am sure it would come back to you.

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[jockaneezer]

My fil had a similar experience when he sold a car a few years ago. I think he ended up having to go to magistrate's court to swear an affidavit to say that he had sold the vehicle ?

 

[chaser]

All this just shows how easy it is to get in to lumber over something you didn't do, everything today is people trying to do someone, there is just no way the op could suspect something like this just like maybe thousands of others, just mither you can do without.
Just another point, how did the buyer pay?
Have you got any bank details?

 

[62272]

One doesn't need proof.
Surely, if the OP had been living a blameless life up and until he sold the vehicle, that alone is circumstantial evidence that he suddenly didn't start going off the rails.
In addition, just because one can perform a function online does not mean that any other method is illegal.
Also, just to add fuel, what is to stop the owner of a vehicle going online and falsely claiming they have sold the vehicle.
No need to get Insurance, No tax, No MOT.

It works both ways.

You are correct, many do try and play the system by stating ‘un truths’ to get out of paying for insurance etc… the law (generally) will take you at your word, unless the opposite is proved, in which case you will be in much deeper mire, than if you were prosecuted solely for no insurance or whatever. Its amazing what gets uncovered in courts when people dig holes for themselves.

 

[nicholsong]

headlight

Did you and buyer not execute a Bill of Sale?

That is the legal document which proves a sale and transfer of title for any item, never mind DVLA's administrative pieces of paper.

 

[headlight]

At the time of sale I wrote a receipt with mine and the buyers details, signed and dated.
I filled out his details on the V5 as the new owner/keeper and sent it off.
He had the new owner/keeper slip.
He paid cash.
It seems very strange to me that someone would pay nearly 10 grand for a car and then not tax, insure or mot it.
If it were only a few hundred it would be more understandable.