Driving Test C1+E ( to remove 107) (1 Viewer)

[old-mo]

probably not Mo.....

its the gross weight of the RV plus the gross weight of the trailer (regardless of what you have on it).

you, personally, can tow a trailer weighing 1450kg MAM (gross weight) regardless of what it weighs unladen providing the train weight isnt exceeded.(yours wont be)

you need to check the gross weight of your trailer on the frame plate(not the kerb weight..ie, unladen) and if its under1450kg then you're ok.

Another poser for you John,,, on the plate on the trailer it says = gross capacity 2500kg,,, Load capacity 2000kg,,, 1300kg each axle...
Dont add up..

 

[pappajohn]

Another poser for you John,,, on the plate on the trailer it says = gross capacity 2500kg,,, Load capacity 2000kg,,, 1300kg each axle...
Dont add up..

ok Mo....

this is only from what i've gleaned from olleys posts.....

the bad news.....you cant tow it with your RV :Sad:

regardless of what you have on it, it still has a gross of 2500kg...you're limited to 1450kg due to your 107 code (combined gross weight of BOTH vehicles can only add up to 8250kg)

you have a 2500kg (gross) trailer with a kerb weight of 500kg.
2500kg gross minus 500kg kerb = 2000kg payload.

the two axle weights always add up to more than the gross weight to allow for uneven loading.
not usually practical for a trailer but you can load one axle to 1300kg providing you load the other to 1200kg.....1300kg + 1200kg = 2500kg
(funnily enough my 3500kg williams twin axle had an individual axle weight of 1750kg......1750kg plus 1750kg = 3500kg...no leighway for uneven loading)

looks like you need a smaller trailer or an A frame.

 

[Griffs]

licence

Good evening all.
I have a question so please be patient, I have a licence with groups a b be c ce c1e d de d1e,fklnp i also have a 107 code on the c1e and 101 119 on the d1e. Does this mean I can drive a truck eg drawbar up to the max uk weights but I am limited to what I pull behind my camper???

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[Larrynwin]

Griffs , you can drive a motorhome up to 7500kg plus a trailer to a total gross train weight of 8250kg.
If you search back through the threads on mhf you will find more detailed info or do a google search online

Larry

 

[rainbow chasers]

If you were 7.5t - you could tow a trailer 750kgs - which would take you to your restricted maximum train of 8250kg (81/4t)

If you were 5t, then you can tow alot more, nearly 3.25t until you hit your 8,25 limit.

So basically, take the maximum loaded weight of your vehicle, from 8250, and then you have your towing capacity - just make sure your towing equipment is rated as such! (ie if your tow bar is rated 3t - then that is it in terms of maximum weight, even if you have 4t left!)

 

[Larrynwin]

Another poser for you John,,, on the plate on the trailer it says = gross capacity 2500kg,,, Load capacity 2000kg,,, 1300kg each axle...
Dont add up..

Mo, consider this, have your trailer downrated to 1450kg mam, 500kg the trailer + 950 kg the car = 1450kg. Its tight , but may be possible. The only other option is a smaller trailer.
Mine is a Brian James single axle which has a kerbweight of 300kg + the kerbweight of my toad of 800kg total 1100kg. I am getting a new plate from Brian James with a mam of 1125 kg which added to my RV gvw of 7100 kg keeps me legal until I pass my test .

Larry

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[pappajohn]

Good evening all.
I have a question so please be patient, I have a licence with groups a b be c ce c1e d de d1e,fklnp i also have a 107 code on the c1e and 101 119 on the d1e. Does this mean I can drive a truck eg drawbar up to the max uk weights but I am limited to what I pull behind my camper???

Griffs....

you arent restricted to towing anything behind any weight motorhome with a C and C+E (without restriction codes) that would have been an HGV1....only vehicle train weights apply.

but as Larry said you are restricted to 8250kg on the C1+E (code 107) part of your licence.

in your case its immaterial anyway.

 

[Larrynwin]

I'm goin for a pint , back at 0100 :thumb:

 

[ehuplad]

Just been looking at licence rules and it looks like the fifth wheel guys have even more problems.

BCars17 [Notes 4]

• Motor vehicles with a MAM not exceeding 3,500 kg having not more than 8 passenger seats with a trailer up to 750 kg (1,700 lb).
• Combinations of vehicles in Category B and a trailer, where MAM of the combination does not exceed 3,500 kg (7,700 lb) and the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen mass of the towing vehicle.
  Example: A vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.25 tonnes could be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement, as the MAM of the combination does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle.

BMinibuses21Vehicles with between 9 and 16 passenger seats not for hire or reward. MAM not exceeding 3.5 tonnes or 4.25 tonnes including specialist equipment for the carriage of disabled passengers. No trailer of any size may be pulled. B licence must have been held for 2 years.B (Automatic)Automatic cars17As cars (B), but only those with automatic transmission.[Notes 5]B+ECars with trailers17Combinations of vehicles consisting of a vehicle in category B and a trailer, where the combination does not come within category B. The MAM of the trailer must not exceed the mass of the unladen towing vehicle[Notes 6]

C1​

Medium sized vehicle
18
Vehicles between 3,500 kg and 7,500 kg with a trailer up to 750 kg.

C1+E​

Medium sized vehicle with trailers
18
Combinations of vehicles where the towing vehicle is in subcategory C1 and its trailer has a MAM of over 750 kg provided that the MAM of the combination thus formed does not exceed 12,000 kg and MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen mass of the towing vehicle.

C​

Large vehicles
18
Vehicles over 3,500 kg with a trailer up to 750 kg.

C+E​

Large vehicles with trailers
18
Vehicles over 3,500 kg with a trailer over 750 kg.

B​

Cars
17 [Notes 4]

• Motor vehicles with a MAM not exceeding 3,500 kg having not more than 8 passenger seats with a trailer up to 750 kg (1,700 lb).
• Combinations of vehicles in Category B and a trailer, where MAM of the combination does not exceed 3,500 kg (7,700 lb) and the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen mass of the towing vehicle.
  Example: A vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.25 tonnes could be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement, as the MAM of the combination does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle.

B+E​

Cars with trailers
17
Combinations of vehicles consisting of a vehicle in category B and a trailer, where the combination does not come within category B. The MAM of the trailer must not exceed the mass of the unladen towing vehicle[Notes 6]


If you have a tow vehicle that weights 3700kgs and your fifth wheel is 5000kg the c1 +e still does not apply because it is stated that you must make sure the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen mass of the towing vehicle.
So i believe you would need a class 1 to pull a fifth wheel.!!!

Also the lighter boys do not get away with it, say the fifth wheel weights 2800kgs the nissan unladen weight is just over 2000kgs the trailer exceeds the unladen mass of the towing vehicle, is there something i am missing or are most fifth wheelers illegal.

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[pappajohn]

different set of rules for pin hitch trailers.

look at LGVs........7ton tractor unit and a 30ton trailer

only common restriction is legal uk length and the train weight.

 

[olley]

Hi I think dick said that if a semi trailer imparted a certain percentage of its weight on to the vehicle, then it was classed as an articulated vehicle and you would need a "C+E" to drive one. A figure of 18% comes to mind, but I can't remember with any certainty .

Olley

 

[Larrynwin]

I have one more consideration. - Do I wait until I get my new C (B) Class RV, it will be around 6700 kg GVW which added to the 1190 kg GVW of my Peugeot 107 toad on A Frame is still under the 8250kg allowed ???

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[wireman]

Call me cynical if you like...but I suspect that all this complication being introduced into the system is plainly and simply a precursor to an easy way to to raise taxes in the future. How? Well when they pull you the rules are so complicated most people will just pay the fine and get on with it; easy soft target for the DVLA.

 

[Larrynwin]

You are so cynical, would our honest government really rip us off ???:helptitanic:

 

[old-mo]

I have one more consideration. - Do I wait until I get my new C (B) Class RV, it will be around 6700 kg GVW which added to the 1190 kg GVW of my Peugeot 107 toad on A Frame is still under the 8250kg allowed ???

At your age,, I would go for the easy option,, = Lighter car/lighter trailer and keep the M/H you have now..

Forget the test your to old to play at school boys..

Trailer people I bought mine from are willing to down rate the gross to what was said,, so hopefully problem solved.. till I change M/H.. oh:

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[Larrynwin]

At your age,, I would go for the easy option,, = Lighter car/lighter trailer and keep the M/H you have now..

Forget the test your to old to play at school boys..

Trailer people I bought mine from are willing to down rate the gross to what was said,, so hopefully problem solved.. till I change M/H.. oh:

Its good if the downrating has solved your problem, I have just received the replacement weight plate for my trailer, pop rivets and Bobs your uncle

Larry

 

[pappajohn]

regarding down plating a trailer......
is there an official and legally binding register of trailers weights as there is for vehicles or do the manufacturers just get type approval and thats it???

i know there are companies such as Cris....caravan registration and insurance scheme...but they arent compulsory.

as far as i know no such legal register exists so all you need is a blank plate and stamp/engrave the new, lower, weight yourself.
for obvious reasons you wouldnt up-rate it though.

 

[pappajohn]

Its good if the downrating has solved your problem, I have just received the replacement weight plate for my trailer, pop rivets and Bobs your uncle

Larry

dont forget to keep the old plate safe.....could be useful when you sell...

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[Larrynwin]

dont forget to keep the old plate safe.....could be useful when you sell...

Yes it cost £18. They sell you one no question, presumably do this regularly.

Could do with a couple of different ones for the RV

 

[pappajohn]

Yes it cost £18. They sell you one no question, presumably do this regularly.

Could do with a couple of different ones for the RV

for my self built bike trailer i bought a blank one off ebay....£3.50 inc postage.

but for a 'real' trailer you do want a proper manufacturers one.

 

[m taylor]

diabetic

i'm diebetic on insulin,as far as i were aware you can drive any combination weight as long as it doesn't exceed 8250 kg,my motorhome gross weight is 4600kg with a gross combination weight of 6600kg,my test was passed in 1977 and i have a medical every 12 months for my licence renewal,am i driving legally?

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[pappajohn]

i'm diebetic on insulin,as far as i were aware you can drive any combination weight as long as it doesn't exceed 8250 kg,my motorhome gross weight is 4600kg with a gross combination weight of 6600kg,my test was passed in 1977 and i have a medical every 12 months for my licence renewal,am i driving legally?

hi.
your diabetes aside (thats between you , your doc and the DVLA) and assuming you don't have any medical restrictions on your licence then yes, you are driving legally providing you don't exceed the train weight for your motorhome. :thumb:

 

[Brian and Jo]

licence

hi there guys what a complicated subjectoh:i have just taken and passed my c class licence and im assuming that i am now entitled to drive vechicles that are rigid over 7.5 tons,and that i can tow a car on an a-frame up to 750kgs.because our fiat panda is 940kgs we are now going to buy a fiat cicequenco which is 720 kgs and im assuming this will keep us legal if it doesnt im selling up and buying a static caravan regards brian jo & josh:thumb:

 

[muz]

brian,dont forget you have to have a braked a frame,as the fiat has brakes already.more bloming weight to add to the car.muz

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[pappajohn]

hi there guys what a complicated subjectoh:i have just taken and passed my c class licence and im assuming that i am now entitled to drive vechicles that are rigid over 7.5 tons,and that i can tow a car on an a-frame up to 750kgs.because our fiat panda is 940kgs we are now going to buy a fiat cicequenco which is 720 kgs and im assuming this will keep us legal if it doesnt im selling up and buying a static caravan regards brian jo & josh:thumb:

sorry to bear bad news brian but the toads gross weight is the one you need...not the kerb weight.

short of towing an Aixim, which has a gross of less than 750kg, you need a C+E to tow a toad.

my corsa is about the same size as a cicequenco and has a kerb of 860kg but a gross of 1140kg.

 

[Brian and Jo]

licence

hi there muz,yes our a-frame is braked :thumb:

 

[Brian and Jo]

licence

god i need a drinkoh:

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[pappajohn]

what's the gross weight of your fourwinds ?

add together the gross of the toad and the RV and if its under 8250kg you're ok on your C1+E licence.
dont forget to add the weight of the A frame as well...about 25kg for most.

 

[old-mo]

what's the gross weight of your fourwinds ?

add together the gross of the toad and the RV and if its under 8250kg you're ok on your C1+E licence.
dont forget to add the weight of the A frame as well...about 25kg for most.

Brian might have a C1E and no 107 code.. :thumb:

 

[Brian and Jo]

licence

hi john i put the windsport on the weigh bridge about 2wks ago and it was just over 8tons.so if thats the case it means i cant tow it.:Angry:
Mo im not sure whats on my licence now because its gone to the dvla to have c cat put on it

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