Disgusting habits of some motorhomers - I sometimes despair!! (1 Viewer)

[martin1485]

Motorhome toilet 'emptied on Morfa Bychan beach'

From the BBC News website

Image copyrightSTEVE POVEY/GEOGRAPH
Image captionMorfa Bychan beach is popular with tourists
Motorhomes could be banned from parking on a beach overnight amid a claim a toilet was emptied on to the sand.

Gwynedd council is also considering increased beach access charges at Morfa Bychan, known locally as Black Rock Sands, in Porthmadog.

Councillor Selwyn Griffiths claimed campers staying overnight had left a "disgusting" mess.

The council confirmed it is planning to bring in "additional measures".

Emma Walters, a warden at the Black Rock Sands Touring and Camping Park, claimed she had caught a camper emptying a toilet at the weekend.

'Clogged up'
She said: "When I told him it was disgusting, he said 'tough'. You have to be careful.

"People are very annoyed. It's not only a tourist area, it's a nature area."

The council said its beach staff "actively advise" vehicles they should not park overnight but owners of motorhomes and campervans were "failing to comply with the requirements".

A spokesman added: "The council will be taking action... additional measures being considered include significantly increasing beach access charges for motorhomes and campervans and amending the beach by-laws to include the prohibition of remaining on the beach in a motor vehicle overnight."

Mr Griffiths said up to 70 vehicles have been staying at the site overnight, leaving residents "very upset".

"People walk along the sand dunes and are disgusted by what they see there," he added.

Public toilets at the beach have also been used to empty toilet contents, according to Mr Griffiths - leaving them "clogged up... disgusting, overflowing."

 

[marpool]

The few are going to ruin it for the many I'm afraid, but as my grandfather always said you cannot educate pork.

 

[chaser]

Couldn' t they put an emptying point in and then charge for parking.

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[TCG]

Unfortunately you reap what you sow.... or in this case you reap what others sow...

 

[bungy]

warden at the Black Rock Sands Touring and Camping Park, claimed she had caught a camper emptying a toilet at the weekend.

whilst im not condoning the alleged actions at all...i will say that this line is very familiar from local newspapers on a number of places along that coast, none of which have ever been supported by any evidence.

In one place further down the coast it was actually proved by a local resident that it was the warden/owner of a local campsite who was creating the problem as they were actually loosing business

 

[mitzimad]

Strange it was a warden from the campsite who reported it no vested interest there then

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[MR. FUSION]

whilst im not condoning the alleged actions at all...i will say that this line is very familiar from local newspapers on a number of places along that coast, none of which have ever been supported by any evidence.

In one place further down the coast it was actually proved by a local resident that it was the warden/owner of a local campsite who was creating the problem as they were actually loosing business

I expect the amount of dog shit on that beach from the locals animals far outweighs any contents of the cassettes.

 

[Chris]

Strange it was a warden from the campsite who reported it no vested interest there then

I was thinking that too.

 

[funflair]

I expect the amount of dog shit on that beach from the locals animals far outweighs any contents of the cassettes.

Two wrongs don't make a right though, or so I was always told.

Martin

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[MR. FUSION]

Two wrongs don't make a right though, or so I was always told.

Martin

5 Minutes research and I am well following the money on this council.....

Councillor Gruffydd Williams in item 5.12 on the agenda (planning application number C17/1175/42/LL), as his father owned a Caravan Park located less than six miles from the site of this application.

Councillor Owain Williams in item 5.12 on the agenda, (planning application number C17/1175/42/LL), as he was the owner of a Caravan Park located less than six miles from the site of this application.

 

[138go]

As the problem of MH parking is only going to get worse perhaps the Council should consider an Aire with a maximum stay of 48 hours and restrict the number of available parking bays. That way everyone gets a chance. One Council had worked out that each bay of an Aire would cost £50,000 so decided not to bother. How can providing a few basic facilities cost so much. Biggest problem is that the Councils would rather spend THEIR money on themselves. Far cheaper to put up a sign and let the Police sort it out or put up a height barrier. France had a similar problem with MH’s so the Local Councils responded with Aires. Hundreds of them all over the place. They realised that MH’s don’t do Camp Sites all the time and the only way to deal with the problem is Free / Chargeable overnight parking. Now most of the MH’s park in designated areas with facilities or risk being asked politely to move on.

It’s about time the Local Councils helped Local Businesses instead of putting up barriers.

 

[Louis]

5 Minutes research and I am well following the money on this council.....

Councillor Gruffydd Williams in item 5.12 on the agenda (planning application number C17/1175/42/LL), as his father owned a Caravan Park located less than six miles from the site of this application.

Councillor Owain Williams in item 5.12 on the agenda, (planning application number C17/1175/42/LL), as he was the owner of a Caravan Park located less than six miles from the site of this application.

But’ there are about four or five other campsites within a mile of that beach.

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[Pete5996]

Strange it was a warden from the campsite who reported it no vested interest there then

Possibly has a vested interest as she was on a FB motorhome group last evening and she says she is a motorhomer who's a tad upset with what she saw....

 

[jumartoo]

Each bay would cost £50,000 someone somewhere is taking the pee! (or a bit in the pocket, surely not!)

 

[Northernraider]

Couldn' t they put an emptying point in and then charge for parking.

That's too sensible they'd rather just hike up the parking charge and ban motorhomes from staying over

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[Northernraider]

Motorhome toilet 'emptied on Morfa Bychan beach'

From the BBC News website

Image copyrightSTEVE POVEY/GEOGRAPH
Image captionMorfa Bychan beach is popular with tourists
Motorhomes could be banned from parking on a beach overnight amid a claim a toilet was emptied on to the sand.

Gwynedd council is also considering increased beach access charges at Morfa Bychan, known locally as Black Rock Sands, in Porthmadog.

Councillor Selwyn Griffiths claimed campers staying overnight had left a "disgusting" mess.

The council confirmed it is planning to bring in "additional measures".

Emma Walters, a warden at the Black Rock Sands Touring and Camping Park, claimed she had caught a camper emptying a toilet at the weekend.

'Clogged up'
She said: "When I told him it was disgusting, he said 'tough'. You have to be careful.

"People are very annoyed. It's not only a tourist area, it's a nature area."

The council said its beach staff "actively advise" vehicles they should not park overnight but owners of motorhomes and campervans were "failing to comply with the requirements".

A spokesman added: "The council will be taking action... additional measures being considered include significantly increasing beach access charges for motorhomes and campervans and amending the beach by-laws to include the prohibition of remaining on the beach in a motor vehicle overnight."

Mr Griffiths said up to 70 vehicles have been staying at the site overnight, leaving residents "very upset".

"People walk along the sand dunes and are disgusted by what they see there," he added.

Public toilets at the beach have also been used to empty toilet contents, according to Mr Griffiths - leaving them "clogged up... disgusting, overflowing."

I wonder why Emma Walters did not take down the registration number of the offending vehicle and report it to the police

 

[buttons]

Each bay would cost £50,000 someone somewhere is taking the pee! (or a bit in the pocket, surely not!)

This figure could easily be reached, time you buy the land connect up to sewers lighting water electric, dig out level and create surface. Fencing barriers lighting cameras staff local business rates etc.50k seems like a conservative estimate to me. This is without aftercare and maintenance.

 

[jumartoo]

This figure could easily be reached, time you buy the land connect up to sewers water electric, dig out level and create surface. Fencing barriers lighting cameras staff etc.50k seems like a conservative estimate to me. This is without aftercare and maintenance.

I'm so behind with the times, obviously .

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[Northernraider]

This figure could easily be reached, time you buy the land connect up to sewers water electric, dig out level and create surface. Fencing barriers lighting cameras staff etc.50k seems like a conservative estimate to me. This is without aftercare and maintenance.

But for each bay?

I think that's where councils go wrong they seem to find the companies that charge them a fortune.

It's like when a paintshop finds out it's an insurance job the price more than doubles often writing off the car

When a contractor knows it's the council they just hike up the price knowing most of the councillors are thick as mince

 

[buttons]

But for each bay?

I think that's where councils go wrong they seem to find the companies that charge them a fortune.

It's like when a paintshop finds out it's an insurance job the price more than doubles often writing off the car

When a contractor knows it's the council they just hike up the price knowing most of the councillors are thick as mince

In a remote area finding and connecting up to a power and water supply could cost a fortune not cheap running in new services.....

 

[jezport]

@Jim There are 2 threads on this same subject that could possibly be combined

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[GJH]

As posted on the other thread:
Leaving aside whether or not toilet cassettes were emptied, the sheer fact that so many people are knowingly ignoring the no overnighting rule is plenty in itself to give the council the wrong impression - that too many motorhomers are FLTs who are too tight to use caravan sites when they are available
I'll bet not one of the motorhomers concerned has even bothered approaching the council to discuss provision of an aire type facility as an alternative.
It is no wonder that councils get the wrong impression - and no amount of excuses will change that.

 

[MR. FUSION]

But’ there are about four or five other campsites within a mile of that beach.

You do realise all those campsite owners will be talking to each other and the councillors named will be representing their specific interests. Very much like almost every farmer in the UK belongs to a local group which forms a huge national interest lobby.

 

[Northernraider]

As posted on the other thread:
Leaving aside whether or not toilet cassettes were emptied, the sheer fact that so many people are knowingly ignoring the no overnighting rule is plenty in itself to give the council the wrong impression - that too many motorhomers are FLTs who are too tight to use caravan sites when they are available
I'll bet not one of the motorhomers concerned has even bothered approaching the council to discuss provision of an aire type facility as an alternative.
It is no wonder that councils get the wrong impression - and no amount of excuses will change that.

Personally the fact that the motorhomes choose not to use the campsites should give enough indication to the council that motorhomes do not need campsites.

I'm not believing for one second that no one who works in council planning parking departments have motorhomes.

It's only by breaking and bending laws that they get changed as far as I can see


I don't excuse the dumping ( if it happened which again is never proved and is always a councillor, a campsite employee or bed and breakfast owner that witnesses but never provides evidence of it ) but parking a motorhome in a parking space I won't object to.

They don't kick up a fuss about cars or ordinary vans being parked there only motorhomes.


All it does is push me more and more towards a stealth type camper van it seems to be the future

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[chaser]

Beats me why they can't dig a hole at the back of the toilets, with a pipe for emptying cassettes for about £100 then chargeing a tenner a night, to stay, they would have their money back in a week, it's a no brainer, but instead they would rather spend money on signs and wardens and hope to get money out of fines.

 

[PeteH]

Emma Walters, a warden at the Black Rock Sands Touring and Camping Park, claimed she had caught a camper emptying a toilet at the weekend.

Errr?. Axe to grind? conflict of interest? EVIDENCE?. But still, NEVER let the truth get in way of a good story.

 

[MR. FUSION]

Personally the fact that the motorhomes choose not to use the campsites should give enough indication to the council that motorhomes do not need campsites.

I'm not believing for one second that no one who works in council planning parking departments have motorhomes.

It's only by breaking and bending laws that they get changed as far as I can see


I don't excuse the dumping ( if it happened which again is never proved and is always a councillor, a campsite employee or bed and breakfast owner that witnesses but never provides evidence of it ) but parking a motorhome in a parking space I won't object to.

They don't kick up a fuss about cars or ordinary vans being parked there only motorhomes.


All it does is push me more and more towards a stealth type camper van it seems to be the future

Personally the fact that the motorhomes choose not to use the campsites should give enough indication to the council that motorhomes do not need campsites.

I'm not believing for one second that no one who works in council planning parking departments have motorhomes.

It's only by breaking and bending laws that they get changed as far as I can see


I don't excuse the dumping ( if it happened which again is never proved and is always a councillor, a campsite employee or bed and breakfast owner that witnesses but never provides evidence of it ) but parking a motorhome in a parking space I won't object to.

They don't kick up a fuss about cars or ordinary vans being parked there only motorhomes.


All it does is push me more and more towards a stealth type camper van it seems to be the future

They have thought of that by making it illegal to sleep in a vehicle overnight on the beach

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[GJH]

Personally the fact that the motorhomes choose not to use the campsites should give enough indication to the council that motorhomes do not need campsites.

I'm not believing for one second that no one who works in council planning parking departments have motorhomes.

It's only by breaking and bending laws that they get changed as far as I can see


I don't excuse the dumping ( if it happened which again is never proved and is always a councillor, a campsite employee or bed and breakfast owner that witnesses but never provides evidence of it ) but parking a motorhome in a parking space I won't object to.

They don't kick up a fuss about cars or ordinary vans being parked there only motorhomes.


All it does is push me more and more towards a stealth type camper van it seems to be the future

The fuss is not about cars (or any vehicles) parking it is about motorhomes being used for camping. It is high time people (including those trying to excuse there own behaviour) understood that in the UK there is a difference. It doesn't matter what is the case in other countries but UK law which applies.

The fact that some choose to camp illegally rather than open constructive dialogue about providing an alternative is easily sufficient to give councils the wrong impression. Motorhomes may not need caravan sites but the message being broadcast is not that but simply that their owners want something for nothing.

 

[Northernraider]

Errr?. Axe to grind? conflict of interest? EVIDENCE?. But still, NEVER let the truth get in way of a good story.

Yes that's my feeling and it's always the same story ....it was the same at la azohia and at dornoch in Scotland where the local b&b owner claimed to see waste dumping etc.

Why anyone would empty a cassette toilet on a beach they are camping on is beyond me

Even the stupidest dirtiest scumbags out there is be surprised at emptying a loo on the sand , and not in front of an audience either.
I know for sure if I saw it is have taken the person's photo and one of their van and number plate and posted it all over Facebook

 

[PeteH]

but instead they would rather spend money on signs and wardens and hope to get money out of fines.

The last few words are the reason. Fines are easy to collect. involve no collection of "evidence", have many "Arse covering" get out clauses. In fact it`s the way to go for MOST Bureaucracies.

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