Bigger granted, and with a sink in there.....could that be because the disabled or their careers might need to wash soiled hands or rinse through soiled clothing. Lay on the floor to be changed as an incontinent adult......not sure I would consider them to be cleaner.
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Bigger granted, and with a sink in there.....could that be because the disabled or their careers might need to wash soiled hands or rinse through soiled clothing. Lay on the floor to be changed as an incontinent adult......not sure I would consider them to be cleaner.
That is why the site we used to go to in Spain issued keys to the disabled because they were being used by people who didn't need to use them but felt it was their right because they were empty at the time.
I would happily trade my disability with you . I wish I didn't have to use disabled facilities but I do and will always have to .
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I personally have never seen a "Disabled Shower", only ever a area, marked with the Disabled sign, containing shower, sink, toilet, etc. So if you use a disabled shower, then in my experience, you are using the toilet as well or at very least, stopping the toilet being used by others..
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8 years ago I suffered a medical event that statisticaly gave me almost no chance of survival and survival held a high chance of brain damage. I like to think from personal experience that I always had for people with disabilities. My survival has reinforced that feeling, i would neverencroach on any disabled persons opportunity to have their life made just a little easier and hopefully ease the burden on the carer. All disabled facilities however signed should be for exclusive use. As Cat53 says we are all potentially only a breath away from disaster.
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Well there you are, learn every day. Been at this lark for fifteen years now and never seen one. Was your "just shower and seat" marked as disabled, because my wife would need more than that.
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Hello all,
May I say, without naming names,
I am a wheelchair user who, when health permits, travels independently in Liberty The Campervan.
I generally stay on Camping and Caravanning Club Sites for the benefit of the disabled facilities.
I have noticed the Camping and Caravanning Club are turning the disabled toilet/shower into a shared Disabled/Family Room.
Please find below the access statement from one such club site with 65 pitches.
"The accessible room on site also provides Parent and Child facilities. Access is by tarmac ramp. The lever door handle is 930mm high and the door width is 840mm. The light switch is 900mm from the floor. The toilet is 455mm high and is a left hand transfer".
My personal experience when I stayed at this site follows...
At 08:30 hrs I went to use the disabled facilities to find it occupied.
I am always happy to wait my turn so I waited outside...
Ten minutes later, a man came out I said good morning and moved forward to enter.
He stopped me and said his wife was getting the children ready and would not be long.
At 09:00 the campsite office opened and I asked the warden to ask them to temporarily vacate the room so I could use the facilities (the man's wife had ignored my knock on the door).
The woman refused and the warden said there was nothing she could do.
So, I had to pack up everything and drive to the nearest disabled toilet, which turned out to be in a Little Chef six miles away.
In October that year I attended the NEC Motorhome show in Birmingham. My first task on arriving was to seek out the Camping and Caravanning Club stand.
I spoke to a very nice man who patiently listened to my story, took all my details and assured me he would bring it up back at HQ and let me know.
Hands up those Funsters who think the Camping and Caravanning Club phoned? emailed? wrote?
So, the moral of the story?
I don't think people can fully understand the problems disabled people face in managing simple everyday tasks.
I am also sure the people I met that morning, the warden and the man and his wife are perfectly nice people who just failed to understand disability.
Also, I now carry a Porta Potty at the expense of one less wheelchair battery pack - another lesson learnt.
Regards,
Colin
May I say, without naming names,
I am a wheelchair user who, when health permits, travels independently in Liberty The Campervan.
I generally stay on Camping and Caravanning Club Sites for the benefit of the disabled facilities.
I have noticed the Camping and Caravanning Club are turning the disabled toilet/shower into a shared Disabled/Family Room.
Please find below the access statement from one such club site with 65 pitches.
"The accessible room on site also provides Parent and Child facilities. Access is by tarmac ramp. The lever door handle is 930mm high and the door width is 840mm. The light switch is 900mm from the floor. The toilet is 455mm high and is a left hand transfer".
My personal experience when I stayed at this site follows...
At 08:30 hrs I went to use the disabled facilities to find it occupied.
I am always happy to wait my turn so I waited outside...
Ten minutes later, a man came out I said good morning and moved forward to enter.
He stopped me and said his wife was getting the children ready and would not be long.
At 09:00 the campsite office opened and I asked the warden to ask them to temporarily vacate the room so I could use the facilities (the man's wife had ignored my knock on the door).
The woman refused and the warden said there was nothing she could do.
So, I had to pack up everything and drive to the nearest disabled toilet, which turned out to be in a Little Chef six miles away.
In October that year I attended the NEC Motorhome show in Birmingham. My first task on arriving was to seek out the Camping and Caravanning Club stand.
I spoke to a very nice man who patiently listened to my story, took all my details and assured me he would bring it up back at HQ and let me know.
Hands up those Funsters who think the Camping and Caravanning Club phoned? emailed? wrote?
So, the moral of the story?
I don't think people can fully understand the problems disabled people face in managing simple everyday tasks.
I am also sure the people I met that morning, the warden and the man and his wife are perfectly nice people who just failed to understand disability.
Also, I now carry a Porta Potty at the expense of one less wheelchair battery pack - another lesson learnt.
Regards,
Colin
No button to press that accurately reflects how to respond to this. Steve, too, always has a pee bottle to hand, for just such occasions. That and limiting his liquid intake. Too many pubs, etc without disabled facilities.
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Hey! You are talking to the one who was caught short in the middle of the Kruger!
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It`s not JUST campsites, I have seen "disabled" facilities abused in Pub`s, Supermarkets, Stores, and many other places. As an aside, I recently took "desperate" in Aldi, NO LOO`s!. I went across the road to a pub who kindly allowed me to use the Gents`s. BUT not all will!. Gave the manager some cash for the charity box!.
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Actually, @SHARON JOHN, your OP mentioned only cubicles in toilet blocks, which I assumed meant toilets and it seems I am not alone. I now realise the title mentioned showers; my answer to your original question is still no.
Sorry, but that reads just plain daft. What are you supposed to do, wait outside a disabled loo for an hour without using it, in case someone 'more disabled' happens to pop along???
After a recent operation for bowel cancer and having had a Stoma bag fitted , I will be given a key to be able to use locked disabled toilets . My disability may not show as Some have said but this does not mean it does not exist and if that bag needs emptying in a hurry then waiting is not an issue. The fact that a disabled toilet has a hand basin and space is a priority for those that genuinely need it.
Previously I have waited fpr toilets and not used the disabled one and now I may be on the receiving end myself.
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The reality is that no-one knows who might have a disability that requires quick access to a loo. Crohns disease, IBS, various auto-immune syndromes, ulcerative colitis etc. etc. don't have visible symptoms and people who don't have diagnosed emergency toilet needs shouldn't be blocking the queue for those who do.
Shame on you Sharon John, you really think that people who otherwise might be anxious about wetting or soiling themselves, or their stoma bags becoming too full don't mind waiting until you've finished your able-bodied business?
And, Sharon John, I don't have a disability, I just think common decency suggests that people who are able-bodied and well able to wait for the loo, do so. Its not an unreasonable requirement.
Or wait for the shower, if that's what you say you're whiffling about
Shame on you Sharon John, you really think that people who otherwise might be anxious about wetting or soiling themselves, or their stoma bags becoming too full don't mind waiting until you've finished your able-bodied business?
And, Sharon John, I don't have a disability, I just think common decency suggests that people who are able-bodied and well able to wait for the loo, do so. Its not an unreasonable requirement.
Or wait for the shower, if that's what you say you're whiffling about
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Can you make your point without getting personal, thanks.
The OP has said this was a shower not a toilet. Most of the responses have been about toilet cubicles not shower cubicles.
I know all about urgent toileting requirements and would never occupy a disabled loo outside of an emergency.
As for shower cubicles I don't stop on enough sites that have such facilities but thinking about this, where I have seen them is at gyms and swimming pools. There you notice the disabled loo is normally not used at all by the able bodied but the disabled access shower is often used by the able-bodied if the other showers are full.
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Showers' toilets? on most sites they are included together in a disability facility!
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Of course there ARE places where the ONLY "facility" is a combination one?. Some filling stations are like that. In some even the staff share them!. (separate) Showers are a slightly different issue in that "urgency" is not such a serious problem.
P.s. Try some of the "facilities" on Truck Stops. if you want "Mucky". I have seen "Crap" in the shower tray on one occasion!.
P.s. Try some of the "facilities" on Truck Stops. if you want "Mucky". I have seen "Crap" in the shower tray on one occasion!.
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As soon as you make a thread personal it goes downhill fast. Please argue your point without such comments, or don't post at all. Thanks.
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Wow! Defensive or what!! So knowing all that, you would STILL actively take the risk of seriously inconveniencing a disabled person? Your attitude speaks volumes.
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Two points here. Your disabled?? Then you have first shout at the disabled facilities. They were not built or designed for people who are not disabled. You need a shower quick?? Go stand under a tap.
Second point. In this country, we are developing a system of 'keeping up with the Jones's' as far as disibilities are concerned. This 'your not as disabled as me' crap is spilling over onto blue badge disabled areas within car parks. "You cant park THERE, you dont LOOK disabled. I should be parking there, my wife only has one leg......"
My answer was........
"Tell her I will swap her leg for my terminal cancer, now, p**s off"
We usually stay at CC sites, just because the disabled facilities work, are (usually) very clean, and modern. I must say that I have not, as yet, come across a disabled facility you have to share with kids, outside a pub or 'Hungry Horse' type place.
Your disabled?? Fine. The man gives you a RADAR key. I have three, which I keep in different places. (Car, M/H, and wallet).
Your not disabled? Then go join the queue.
Second point. In this country, we are developing a system of 'keeping up with the Jones's' as far as disibilities are concerned. This 'your not as disabled as me' crap is spilling over onto blue badge disabled areas within car parks. "You cant park THERE, you dont LOOK disabled. I should be parking there, my wife only has one leg......"
My answer was........
"Tell her I will swap her leg for my terminal cancer, now, p**s off"
We usually stay at CC sites, just because the disabled facilities work, are (usually) very clean, and modern. I must say that I have not, as yet, come across a disabled facility you have to share with kids, outside a pub or 'Hungry Horse' type place.
Your disabled?? Fine. The man gives you a RADAR key. I have three, which I keep in different places. (Car, M/H, and wallet).
Your not disabled? Then go join the queue.
I have a question for @SHARON JOHN ..... Why did you start this thread? Because if you had said nothing at all your secret would have been safe.
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Hi.
On the other hand,do away with Womens and Mens toilets,just have one big Unisex/Gender Fluid (Theres a joke in there) one,and then a Disability one....JUST for the Disabled.Spare seats in First Class trains and planes ? Fill your boots.
England was the place for orderly queues....WAS being the operative word.
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On the other hand,do away with Womens and Mens toilets,just have one big Unisex/Gender Fluid (Theres a joke in there) one,and then a Disability one....JUST for the Disabled.Spare seats in First Class trains and planes ? Fill your boots.
England was the place for orderly queues....WAS being the operative word.
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I've been reading this thread with interest.
Most of the C & MH sites I've been to have 3 or 4 shower cubicles for ladies, (never enough - usually a queue in the mornings) one of which is equipped with grab rails but no disabled sign on the door.
Is it acceptable for everyone to use these? (Not being funny - genuinely interested!)
Most of the C & MH sites I've been to have 3 or 4 shower cubicles for ladies, (never enough - usually a queue in the mornings) one of which is equipped with grab rails but no disabled sign on the door.
Is it acceptable for everyone to use these? (Not being funny - genuinely interested!)
Of coarse it is Jannine. They are not truly classed as disabled facilities.
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Fully agree,,its a very selfish dog eat dog world we live in,,,,makes you ashamed sometimes,,,,BUSBY,,
If in doubt.....check with the warden. Frankly, if I had no need of grab rails, I would leave it to the person who has.....but it's a moot point for me as I would rather use my Motorhome shower.
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Yes. But generally, unless i am ill, I use another one (if available). I generally go for a shower in the afternoon or evening when they are far less busy - and more recently cleaned.
Although we do have our own facilities in the van they are cramped so if there are acceptable showers on a site I will use them in preference to the van shower. I do prefer our own loo though
= and as it is generally me that does the cassette empty thingy I don't feel guilty!When I'm not well I try to use a combined loo and shower room as it makes things so much easier - I need the space.
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