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[JJ]

Obviously I am a Good Boy so it wouldn't have affected me... (Portuguese registered)


JJ

 

[2657]

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Obviously I am a Good Boy so it wouldn't have affected me... (Portuguese registered)


JJ

Just a slight query, how could they know how long the vehicle had been in Portugal especially as the checkpoint was at the border with Spain?

Obviously tax, mot, insurance could be checked, and rightly so, don't know what the customs checks were about though.

 

[chesterfield hooligan]

I'm not going home yet unless I'm deported.
We are here until March.

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[jockaneezer]

A few years ago, a guy who had retired from my workplace bought a static in Portugal. He took his car over there, but didn't register it, or bring it back to UK within the time scales. He got stopped at a ferry port, had the car seized and had to pay a substantial fine.

 

[Rapido925M]

Just a slight query, how could they know how long the vehicle had been in Portugal especially as the checkpoint was at the border with Spain?

Obviously tax, mot, insurance could be checked, and rightly so, don't know what the customs checks were about though.

1 ANPR at ports etc will give time out of UK.

2 After 6months you are expected to register a vehicle in the new country, paying import tax, registration fees, etc.

Obviously, if you are moving across borders within that time frame then there isn't a problem, other than proving you have done so.
However, if you have taken up residence (or even employment?), with the appropriate documentation, then re-registration is a requirement, I believe.

Gordon

 

[frogijock]

The Guardia used to do this regularly around the Alicante area especially around school run time

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[2657]

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[jumartoo]

Just a slight query, how could they know how long the vehicle had been in Portugal especially as the checkpoint was at the border with Spain?

Obviously tax, mot, insurance could be checked, and rightly so, don't know what the customs checks were about though.

They don't have to know, you have to prove it.

 

[2657]

They don't have to know, you have to prove it.

Prove what exactly? With open borders it would be impossible to prove length of stay either way unless someone trawls through any CCTV footage of the crossings for months at a time,highly unlikely.

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[TerryL]

Good few years ago I flew out to Portugal to "bring home" a UK registered car that a mates brother had taken out there and not registered. The police spotted it and, fortunately, gave him 10 days to get it out of the country or it would be confiscated. They even insisted that we took a policeman with us to prove it had left Portugal - we left him at the border control point (not there now). No idea how he got home. For a few weeks I was the "owner" of a very nice Jeep until I sold it on for him.

But he doesn't learn - he's got two UK registered cars out there now (plus a Portuguese van) although he's very careful and lives out in the sticks. However wouldn't be surprised to get another call...........

 

[jumartoo]

Prove what exactly? With open borders it would be impossible to prove length of stay either way unless someone trawls through any CCTV footage of the crossings for months at a time,highly unlikely.

Exactly. YOU have to prove where you were or weren't if asked. It's hard to prove/ disprove and not often asked. But if asked the onus is on you. They're not going to trawl through anything, you would have to do the hard work.

 

[thebriars]

Prove what exactly? With open borders it would be impossible to prove length of stay either way unless someone trawls through any CCTV footage of the crossings for months at a time,highly unlikely.

If it were impossible to prove the length of stay, then they wouldn't be setting up roadside checkpoints.

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[2657]

If it were impossible to prove the length of stay, then they wouldn't be setting up roadside checkpoints.

Exactly. YOU have to prove where you were or weren't if asked. It's hard to prove/ disprove and not often asked. But if asked the onus is on you. They're not going to trawl through anything, you would have to do the hard work.

Please explain to me how I or anyone else could prove that a vehicle that is legal in the UK and once it has crossed the channel into the Schengen area could prove either way how long it had been in one particular country.

 

[2657]

Good few years ago I flew out to Portugal to "bring home" a UK registered car that a mates brother had taken out there and not registered. The police spotted it and, fortunately, gave him 10 days to get it out of the country or it would be confiscated. They even insisted that we took a policeman with us to prove it had left Portugal - we left him at the border control point (not there now). No idea how he got home. For a few weeks I was the "owner" of a very nice Jeep until I sold it on for him.

But he doesn't learn - he's got two UK registered cars out there now (plus a Portuguese van) although he's very careful and lives out in the sticks. However wouldn't be surprised to get another call...........

That is a different scenario in that the vehicles could not be legal in the UK and were thus illegal in Portugal.

I have seen many examples of these vehicles especially in the more popular Brit areas of Spain.

 

[jumartoo]

Please explain to me how I or anyone else could prove that a vehicle that is legal in the UK and once it has crossed the channel into the Schengen area could prove either way how long it had been in one particular country.

I don't know but the authorities can ask you to prove it. Receipts from fuel, supermarkets bank withdrawals etc.

The onus is on you.

Don't shoot me as the messenger, ask someone in authority.

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[2657]

I don't know but the authorities can ask you to prove it. Receipts from fuel, supermarkets bank withdrawals etc.

The onus is on you.

Don't shoot me as the messenger, ask someone in authority.

I am not doubting your word that they may do that in Spain and possibly Portugal but I think it highly unlikely to be asked if when stopped the vehicle is fully legal and with all the correct documentation from the UK.

I would think that the purpose of the Portuguese checks using UK customs and excise was possibly aimed at something other than vehicles overstaying 180 days and that any vehicles confiscated were not legal in the country of origin.

 

[bobandjanie]

The Guardia used to do this regularly around the Alicante area especially around school run time

They do it here in Javea, wait at the schools anyone with UK plates they pull, most with children in school have been here too long.

I know of two residents with motorhomes that have received a parking ticket for €300 this morning, for parking for more than two days on a public road without moving.
And No they was not staying in them, they were parked outside their homes.
@gus-lopez
Ours is parked behind our apartment, but our car will be outside on the road, we will see. Bob.

 

[JJ]

An Austrian friend of mine got fined for driving a Portuguese vehicle owned by him on his Austrian licence because, after six months, he was meant to have a Portuguese one...

JJ

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[wileyfox]

When we leave the eu you will only have 3 months.

 

[bobandjanie]

They do it here in Javea, wait at the schools anyone with UK plates they pull, most with children in school have been here too long.

I know of two residents with motorhomes that have received a parking ticket for €300 this morning, for parking for more than two days on a public road without moving.
And No they was not staying in them, they were parked outside their homes.
@gus-lopez
Ours is parked behind our apartment, but our car will be outside on the road, we will see. Bob.

One I saw the ticket, and then there was this one, and also know him and where he parks.

It's our local FB group, but as a lot of residents are not lovers of motorhomes for obvious reasons comments were turned off. Bob.

 

[TerryL]

I would tend to think they will be inspecting the documentation to ensure the vehicle is UK legal, hence the DVLA connection. I'd guess that that alone would give a strong indicator how long the vehicle had been in Portugal. Only if there was any doubt would the driver then have to prove anything.

But until someone posts up an official explanation we're all speculating. Safest thing is to do it all properly the first time! Sorry but I've no sympathy for anyone caught doing otherwise - definitely don't want to be involved in an accident with an uninsured vehicle, which these surely will be.

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[2657]

https://www.algarvedailynews.com/ne...les-seized-in-algarve-in-hmrc-joint-operation

 

[bobandjanie]

Someone was stopped here a few weeks ago for driving a UK registered car that was SORN, apparently it was a friends car, he was fined €500 and the car was impounded until his friend proved ownership and it was legally here, it will probably be getting storage charges. Bob.

 

[Yorick]

Our camper was here for 15 months.

But 3 months before we travelled back to UK, I sold it to the missus. Log book and insurance in her name.

We had no trouble driving to UK

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[sueandjohn]

I would tend to think they will be inspecting the documentation to ensure the vehicle is UK legal, hence the DVLA connection. I'd guess that that alone would give a strong indicator how long the vehicle had been in Portugal. Only if there was any doubt would the driver then have to prove anything.

But until someone posts up an official explanation we're all speculating. Safest thing is to do it all properly the first time! Sorry but I've no sympathy for anyone caught doing otherwise - definitely don't want to be involved in an accident with an uninsured vehicle, which these surely will be.

Sure you are correct ! They do checks on the Costa Del sol for uk vehicles that are not legal ie no mot or tax

 

[haganap]

An Austrian friend of mine got fined for driving a Portuguese vehicle owned by him on his Austrian licence because, after six months, he was meant to have a Portuguese one...

JJ

thats weird I thought it was 2 years you had to change your license? but then I thought that having an EU license was exactly that, for all states? Have UKIP lied to me again


just checked it out and it appears there's a difference. between being in the UK and being in Portugal? It's no wonder people get so fed up of the EU, surely the rules should be the same accross the board?






not being critical, just genuinely interested as I can hold a Portuguese passport.

 

[JJ]

thats weird I thought it was 2 years you had to change your license? but then I thought that having an EU license was exactly that, for all states? Have UKIP lied to me again

I know nothing!

I understand he paid the fine and got his licence changed...

But I wasn't actually there!


JJ

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[haganap]

I know nothing!

I understand he paid the fine and got his licence changed...

But I wasn't actually there!


JJ

sorry @JJ I edited my post as you were typing

 

[JJ]

not being critical, just genuinely interested as I can hold a Portuguese passport.

I am in the middle of the process at the moment...

JJ

 

[SpeedyDux]

These 4 freedoms don't quite do what it says on the tin!

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