Delivery delays - are we being told the whole truth? (1 Viewer)

[Eggs]

Sounds like a retention incentive at that rate which is fine by me to.

Yes I think so too, he's only been driving trucks since the beginning of the year, agency work to start with but he's on the books with Dunelm Mills now. He got a rise when they took him on and this added rise out of the blue, good luck to him is what I say.

 

[Bustup15]

How much of a hiccup do we want to pay for though? My brother drives a truck, he's just received a 12% pay rise without asking for it... Someone is going to pay for that.

Without prying (but I am) would be interested to know what the old wage was

 

[Eggs]

Without prying (but I am) would be interested to know what the old wage was

No great shakes for the job in my opinion. It was £14/hour for the agency, that went up to £16/hour when they took him on the books. He's since had the 12% on top.

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[Ivory55]

No great shakes for the job in my opinion. It was £14/hour for the agency, that went up to £16/hour when they took him on the books. He's since had the 12% on top.

Where is he based in the middle of the country somewhere ?

 

[Eggs]

Where is he based in the middle of the country somewhere ?

Yes, Stoke-on-Trent. Does that make a big difference?

 

[Ivory55]

Yes, Stoke-on-Trent. Does that make a big difference?

Yes on average the money in the middle of the country is more than on the edges, due to more rdc places in the middle wanting more drivers. Hence more money.

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[Eggs]

Yes on average the money in the middle of the country is more than on the edges, due to more rdc places in the middle wanting more drivers. Hence more money.

RDC, Road Distribution Centres?

Makes sense, what would the rate be around here, you and I aren't that far apart.

 

[Ivory55]

RDC, Road Distribution Centres?

Makes sense, what would the rate be around here, you and I aren't that far apart.

You might be better off depending on how close to Felixstowe you are , but it’s not that great.
Zero hours, £100 for 12 hrs, includes your holiday pay etc in the rate. No sick pay or bank holiday etc

 

[Eggs]

You might be better off depending on how close to Felixstowe you are , but it’s not that great.
Zero hours, £100 for 12 hrs, includes your holiday pay etc in the rate. No sick pay or bank holiday etc

K'nel! I honestly didn't know it was that low. That's got to be close to minimum wage?

I occasionally mooch, in our MH's with a lad who trunks for an agency between the docks and Alconbury, he seems to earn decent money.

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[Ivory55]

K'nel! I honestly didn't know it was that low. That's got to be close to minimum wage?

I occasionally mooch, in our MH's with a lad who trunks for an agency between the docks and Alconbury, he seems to earn decent money.

If based at alconbury there’s more competition around so helps push it up. If you head north like Tyneside or Scotland the rates are poor. Often get trucks from Scotland working on the sugar beet due to lack of work, stay for a week or 2 then head back north with sugar beet nuts , have a weekend at home and repeat.

 

[Al-Di]

going rate round here, nth/manchester is £15 hr, we have several rdc's and all vi-ing for your service, best payer is mcdonalds,

 

[Ivory55]

Mate of mine after several years of trying is full time for Sainsbury’s. His mate is in the office and told him that they had not taken on staff for years instead used EE agency as it’s cheaper. He thought he would not get o/t but time off in lieu if he did extra hours as that was how they used to work, but now as they need drivers they will pay overtime as well now.

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[bobski]

And clearly identified a captive market of mugs. Why do we put up with it? Door catches prone to condensation triggering warning beeper, electric elements liable to expensive failure, weak freezer compartment hinges on older models, dodgy hinges on tec tower oven doors.

Hey, tell me about it, I've just had to buy the hinges for my freezer box door, cost £57. Plastic moulded hinges.

 

[RidersofRohan]

The U.K. haulage industry takes in 40,000 new recruits each year, this year due to Covid effects on driver training and examination only 15,000 new licences have been issued giving a 25,000 shortage to the industry in a normal year. The shortage of drivers has increased from 60k to 100k this year. The International Road Transport Union said that shortages would soar in all regions, in fact Germany and the US are reporting similar shortages. The IRTU blame poor pay, working conditions and an ageing workforce. The average age of a driver in U.K. is 55, the retirement crisis is going to last a few years more.
The US is believed to be the hardest hit due to lengthening delivery times.
Wages and prices adjust naturally in a free market from supply and demand.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

RDC, Road Distribution Centres?

Makes sense, what would the rate be around here, you and I aren't that far apart.

Regional

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[gerry mcg]

If lowest pay is one the reasons for the lack of HGV drivers, increasing the pay may attract drivers to the industry.
But those drivers are likely to be currently employed in another sectorand would be lured From other industries, therefore all the increace in pay does is transfer the shortage ftom one industry to another.
The existing bone idle / unemployed are unlikely to suddenly become motivated to work and those unable to work due to ill health are not going to be suddenly cured by HGV pay increaces.
I'm all for better pay across all sectors, but we as consumers will need to accept we have to pay for it and the big picture is that unless you add more workers to the Labour force, e.g. Via immigration etc, there are will be shortages of labour in one sector or another, and raising pay in one sector might address that sector labour shortage, but only at the detriment of another sector

 

[bellabee]

As per gerry mcg 's post, the logical conclusion is that other sectors will have to increase pay in order to compete for workers - a perfect recipe for rampant wage inflation.

Who remembers the 1970s? Probably, the majority of people who are now on a fixed income ie pensioners. In such a scenario, they will bare the brunt of inflation without seeing a commensurate raise in income .

 

[Langtoftlad]

...or we accept less choice of brands, more local produce, so less trucking needed.

Shopping, ideally ecologically, should be for necessities rather than a "Leisure" activity

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[dash300]

...or we accept less choice of brands, more local produce, so less trucking needed.

Shopping, ideally ecologically, should be for necessities rather than a "Leisure" activity

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Recent press reports claim there is going to be a shortage of Spanish Choritzo and French Cheese, life's going to become unbearable.

 

[Coolcats]

All these lorry driver shortages will be a dream for the automated lorry manufactures

 

[vwalan]

best just dont buy anything from europe.
we have left the eu. so buy other countries food etc .
dont buy eu vehicles or clothes etc .
after all buying other countries things usually means we get better quality at less price.

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[Ivory55]

All these lorry driver shortages will be a dream for the automated lorry manufactures

I think people will be surprised how soon that happens regardless of labour shortages. A robot works 24/7 not worried about Xmas etc.

 

[Coolcats]

best just dont buy anything from europe.
we have left the eu. so buy other countries food etc .
dont buy eu vehicles or clothes etc .
after all buying other countries things usually means we get better quality at less price.

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[Sapper520]

Had our first Raclette yesterday…….in Somerset.

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[Jonno1103]

Scania and Volvo are saying the same sort of thing for trucks

Is this effecting VW and Renault?

 

[Ivory55]

Is this effecting VW and Renault?

Don’t know, but I guess they all must be having similar problems. I only took notice as it was saying they was not taking more orders and it was having an increase on used truck prices.

 

[MattR]

If they can do that they have been making excessive profit at the workers expense?

A relative of mine had a delivery invoice recently. It included a surcharge for a driver bonus / incentive / wage rise. This was paid for by him, the customer, not the delivery company.

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[69473]

Speaking to my neighbor this morning who's friend has a haulage company, just taken on a newly qualified driver (21) having to pay 40k, raised pay of experienced drivers to 50k.

 

[gus-lopez]

No sick pay

Even on zero hours you are classed as an employee & have entitlement to sick pay if off with a "fit note" (what's that all about?If you were fit you wouldn't be off )
They have to pay 28 weeks at £94,50 /week . not a lot but better than nothing. If they refuse to pay /won't pay they have to supply you with a specific form stating why that you can then claim it from ESA. Apart from going out of business there aren't many reasons they can refuse to pay.

** if memory serves me correctly all you had to have done was worked for them ,zero hours, for 2 years. That complied with the requirements.

As per gerry mcg 's post, the logical conclusion is that other sectors will have to increase pay in order to compete for workers - a perfect recipe for rampant wage inflation.

Who remembers the 1970s? Probably, the majority of people who are now on a fixed income ie pensioners. In such a scenario, they will bare the brunt of inflation without seeing a commensurate raise in income .

That is why the triple lock should never be allowed to be fiddled with.

Is this effecting VW and Renault?

Definitely Mercedes cars.

 

[Ivory55]

Speaking to my neighbor this morning who's friend has a haulage company, just taken on a newly qualified driver (21) having to pay 40k, raised pay of experienced drivers to 50k.

Would that be 50k for 40hrs or lots of other things like night out money etc ?

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