Discussion in 'Motorhome Chat' started by Zains Pops, Nov 4, 2014.
Thanks guys, will get a tag on order
Although I'm a user of the crossing, if I were not a 'regular', I'd still get a Dart-Tag.
As has been said; getting a tag is 'FREE' - albeit that you have to put a tenner credit on the tag when you open the account. However, thereafter, there is no recurring charge for the tag itself. On the new tariff, you save 83p for each transit (£1.66 for a return journey).
When the new scheme starts (late November 2014 - unquote) For anyone just using the crossing on hi-days and holidays, I would suffer the tenner and bung a tag in the 'van. Apart from a discount, it saves all that messing about with advance booking, surfing the net or hanging on the phone to pay (assuming you remember, or you're not abroad somewhere and forget!)
Don't also forget that you MUST use the tag at least once within a 12 month period!
PS. For those thinking of the Woolwich Ferry, apart from the LEZ issue, the winter service can be very unreliable. They suspend the ferry when it's misty or foggy
Well we might use it 4 times a year ie there and back twice. Then not use it again till next year. I shall have to read the T&C next time we know we're going through it, in enough time to get the tag before we go, to decide what's best.
We have 2 UK registered vehicles (works van and camper) and 1 French registered vehicle (car). We use each of them at least once each year on a return crossing. Can we register a French vehicle alongside a UK registered vehicle for a TAG and can we mix and match different classes of vehicle on the same TAG?
As we are from SE Essex we only use the Dartford Crossing to go south.
will you still need to have a tag in the vehicle after the booths are removed or will it be done on number plate recognition if we had tags we would save sme cash as we are fairly regular crossers in car and vans
Just setup a account for the new dartford toll it put my Hiace van in class c, the car in class b, Ranger double cab in class c should be in class b as it has 5 seats and our motorhome in class D !! Which is the same group as a 44 ton goods vehicle.
Spent 1/2 hour on the phone trying to get it change.
Vehicles are placed into different classes for purposes of the Dartford Crossing. The class of your vehicle determines the exact road user charge.
Vehicle class A includes:
motorcycles with 2 or 3 wheels
3 wheel cars
Vehicle class B includes:
cars with or without trailers, caravans etc
passenger vans and buses with no more than 8 seats in addition to the driver’s seat
Vehicle class C includes:
goods vans, including car-based vans without side windows behind the driver
vans/buses with more than 8 seats in addition to the driver’s seat
Goods vehicles with 2 axles
2 axle goods vehicle with a drawbar trailer
Vehicle class D includes:
goods vehicles with more than two axles (whether dropped or not)
buses and coaches with more than two axles
articulated vehicles with a semi-trailer
There does not seem to be any info on the Dart websites about HOW you pre-pay on-line or by phone, have I missed it somehow?
See Here. If you receive a charge notice because you had to follow an official diversion you can get the charge cancelled.
Had an email update today:
The new payment arrangements at the Dartford Crossing will come into effect on 30 November 2014:
from 6am on Sunday 30 November you’ll no longer pay at the barriers
the current payment arrangements will continue until Dart Charge goes live
we’ll start the main roadworks to remove the booths and introduce a new road layout in late November; due for completion spring 2015
We’ll be in touch shortly with further information about how you can transfer your existing DART-Tag account or set up a new account to get ready for Dart Charge.
Visit our Dart Charge web page for more information.
I use 2 vehicles, my American Ford F350 & my Transit van, both are class B as they both have windows behind the driver's seat, but when I go across in the van a message is displayed saying non compliant vehicle, the attendant has to override this & the barrier goes up. I can see problems ahead with the new system! The best thing they did was abolish charges for trailers.
So are all Mh's class B ?.....and what about a Toad behind a Mh / a trailer I guess but ??
Will sort out an account very soon, like some other Funsters I don't tend to use tunnel much during the pay period, (getting through as much as poss before 6am and back after 10pm) but for those odd times it looks very slightly cheaper.................and if there are specific acc holders lanes...........
All m/hs are classB, trailers, toads & caravans even 5th wheels are free.
There are Several large notices, for a fair distance going towards the Dartford crossing from the north side, Warning that the OFFICIAL DIVERSION in case of closure, is to leave the M25 at the A12 and A13 and return to the M25 and take the NORTHERN ROUTE back around the motorway. I saw these many times when in my car and never knew what they were, I now know.
So where are you a 'resident' ? If the UK you cannot legally drive the French vehicle in the UK. & Vice-versa; if a French resident you can't drive the UK vehicles over their although you can legally drive each in there respective countries.
Not sure what you mean Gus.
We have a holiday home in France and a French car registered and insured to that address. We have French insurance to drive anywhere in the EU and the insurance company and French vehicle registration authorities understand that we are UK residents with a holiday home in France.
Being UK residents we can drive our UK vehicles in the EU too.
Have I misunderstood you or am I missing something as the above practice appears to be commonplace?
So what happens with vehicles that are registered as disabled. They used to travel free on the Dartford crossing. The booth operator checked the vehicle tax disc and that was it. If there are no booth operators do disabled drivers now pay or will the vehicle plate recognition recognise this.
Yes , as UK residents you can legally drive your UK vehicles anywhere . Your French vehicles you can drive in France & anywhere else in the EU ,BUT you cannot drive them legally in the UK as UK residents.
The EU law, which actually dates from 1983, states that no resident of an EU state can legally drive a vehicle in his home country that is not registered there.
I had all this out with both the DVLA (utterly useless shower, Took 10 emails before they told me what I wanted to know ) & the EU . The EU explained it concisely in one reply.
Here is link from a Scottish gov,site.
UK residents driving non-UK cars in the UK
UK residents are not allowed to use non-UK registered vehicles on UK roads. The only exceptions are:
if you work in another EU member state and use an EU-registered company car temporarily in the UK for business and private purposes
if you lease an EU-registered car and use this temporarily in the UK
Here is the reply, to me, from the DVLA
"Dear Mr López
Thank you for your email received on 7/10/13. Your email reference number is 1570140.
The Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 stipulates that UK residents are not permitted to use a non-UK-registered vehicle on UK roads. In the circumstances that you have explained, your daughters or your daughter’s partners will not be permitted to use a non-UK registered vehicle as they are residents within the UK."
You have asked whether a vehicle belonging to a UK keeper, who has a French holiday home (temporary residence) may register the vehicle in France, and use the vehicle to return to the UK for occasional short visits.
The International Circulation Order that governs where an individual must register a vehicle makes it clear that each person should only register in the Member State of the person’s normal place of residence (country of permanent residency). Article 7 of Directive 83/182/EEC and Article 6 of Directive 83/183/EEC set out rules for determine normal residence, in situations where the person concerned are temporarily or permanently living and driving in a Member state other than their own.
The European Court of Justice has also set out a criterion that permanent residence is taken to be the place where a person lives 185 days per year.
This means that as an UK resident a person cannot drive a foreign registered vehicle in the UK. If the normal residence for the individual is the UK - the keeper is legally required to register in the UK (not in the country of temporary residence, in this case France)
The direct.gov website makes it clear that UK residents cannot use a foreign registered vehicle on UK roads. The only exception is where a UK resident is employed or self-employed in another EU member state and needs to drive a foreign vehicle on a temporary basis.
If a UK resident is stopped driving a foreign vehicle in the UK, it would be for them to demonstrate they are legally allowed to do so.
We lived in France for 7 years and know that French insurance companies will give you insurance, however Its doubtful that they will pay out in the event of a claim!
Thank you both very much for your comprehensive replies, food for thought indeed.
We have literally just registered our previously UK registered car in France to simplify things...
We travel to and from the UK - France quite frequently and the cost difference in travel costs between a van and a car is about £100. Once or maybe twice a year we use a car to 'pop to the UK ' (elderly parents) while we are on a longer stay in France instead of using a van, it's faster a cheaper if we are only back in the UK for a couple of days or so.
I nearly understand the reasoning behind this ruling but it does feel quite stupid to know we can travel to every EU country with our French car without the mention of a Green Card or having to inform our French insurers we are going out of the country, except to the country where we live, were born and pay our taxes. Ah well, if only we had more practical laws...
I see in the paper this morning that they reckon after the toll is changed that 14% won't pay/won't know they've got to pay etc.
Now we've got a 'consultation' on an "ultra-low emission zone". W hich will be same area as the congestion charge.It is proposed that it will be 24/7 & apply to every vehicle .
Here is part of Boris's letter.
" Dear Customer,
We would like your views on the proposed Ultra Low Emission Zone which will operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in the same area as the Congestion Charging zone. The zone would be introduced in 2020 and aims to encourage the use of newer, cleaner vehicles, reducing vehicle pollution by half.
All cars, motorcycles, vans, minibuses, and heavy vehicles (including lorries, coaches and large vans) would need to meet a new emission standard or pay a daily charge to travel within the zone.
The proposed emission standards are tighter than those for the current Low Emission Zone (which operates across Greater London). The proposed daily Ultra Low Emission Zone charge will be in addition to the existing Low Emission Zone charge and the Congestion Charge. "
So the standard will be lower than existing & most vehicle manufacturers state, off the record, that there is no further room for improvement with diesels.+ have a bad day & you'll be caught for the LEZ , congestion charge then the new Ultra LEZ !
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