Crankshaft oil seal.

[pappajohn]

My mate, with the unknown make van, has it in the garage to replace the rear oil seal and fit a new clutch.
It's been on a lift for two and half weeks and no closer.
They can't find a seal as the engine is a transplant so the reg number and engine don't tally. (it was originally a 2ltr petrol )
I went and had a look today and a bit of rag uncovered the FORD part number on the seal.
Next, into town to an independant factors, gave them the part number...... New seal arrives tomorrow.
What is wrong with garages today.... They've had a lift taken up for 2½ weeks yet it took me 30 minutes to get the seal.

 

[Landy Andy]

They just want to bolt on new bits these days, and tell you they are magicians. They don’t fix anything. They just replace bits.

 

[Podney]

My mate, with the unknown make van, has it in the garage to replace the rear oil seal and fit a new clutch.
It's been on a lift for two and half weeks and no closer.
They can't find a seal as the engine is a transplant so the reg number and engine don't tally. (it was originally a 2ltr petrol )
I went and had a look today and a bit of rag uncovered the FORD part number on the seal.
Next, into town to an independant factors, gave them the part number...... New seal arrives tomorrow.
What is wrong with garages today.... They've had a lift taken up for 2½ weeks yet it took me 30 minutes to get the seal.

That’s because you, Mr pappajohn, are a genius! There aren’t many of us around.

 

[rb62]

 

[Spriddler]

I've had very similar experiences.
Many garages only know how to get information by using a keyboard rather than a piece of rag, but information isn't knowledge.

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[glastry]

They just want to bolt on new bits these days, and tell you they are magicians. They don’t fix anything. They just replace bits.

I agree with that, I run a 36 year old van, the "garage", often says I should buy a new one!
Mostly I suspect because they cannot plug in in to their useless computer!

 

[Landy Andy]

Had an coolant leak on wife’s horrible VW. Phoned specialist independent garage. Bit of oohing and aarring will call you back. £970, and may be another £55 depending. What. I don’t think so. 40mins remove part, drive to collect part, fit part, road test, full valet of car, 4hrs. Cost of part £250 original VW part no trade.

 

[pappajohn]

I think they'd been trying to get the seal going by the reg number, which most dealers and motor factors seem to insist on but obviously the search result was for a petrol engine so no surprise the seals they got wouldn't fit.
We still don't know the age of the engine though.... Got to find the engine code somewhere on the block to work that out.

 

[busby]

My mate, with the unknown make van, has it in the garage to replace the rear oil seal and fit a new clutch.
It's been on a lift for two and half weeks and no closer.
They can't find a seal as the engine is a transplant so the reg number and engine don't tally. (it was originally a 2ltr petrol )
I went and had a look today and a bit of rag uncovered the FORD part number on the seal.
Next, into town to an independant factors, gave them the part number...... New seal arrives tomorrow.
What is wrong with garages today.... They've had a lift taken up for 2½ weeks yet it took me 30 minutes to get the seal.

No common sense,, BUSBY.

 

[jockaneezer]

How hard would it have been for them to just whip the old seal out and take some measurements ?
I despair with the way things are going, "Yeah, we'll just plug it into the computer and Bob will wheel out the 'parts cannon' and we'll start firing replacement bits at it until it's fixed, or you run out of money, whichever comes first ?"
I recently changed the harmonic crankshaft pulley on our son's CRV, I made up this adjustable tool from an old Stanley screwdriver to remove the old seal, the hook slides along the shaft, under the rubber lip and you pivot it out against the adjustable leg, then knock the new seal in using a suitably sized socket.

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[Lenny HB]

I think they'd been trying to get the seal going by the reg number, which most dealers and motor factors seem to insist on but obviously the search result was for a petrol engine so no surprise the seals they got wouldn't fit.
We still don't know the age of the engine though.... Got to find the engine code somewhere on the block to work that out.

A pain in the butt when you have a private plate that doesn't show up on most of the databases.

 

[Podney]

How hard would it have been for them to just whip the old seal out and take some measurements ?
I despair with the way things are going, "Yeah, we'll just plug it into the computer and Bob will wheel out the 'parts cannon' and we'll start firing replacement bits at it until it's fixed, or you run out of money, whichever comes first ?"
I recently changed the harmonic crankshaft pulley on our son's CRV, I made up this adjustable tool from an old Stanley screwdriver to remove the old seal, the hook slides along the shaft, under the rubber lip and you pivot it out against the adjustable leg, then knock the new seal in using a suitably sized socket.
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Don’t despair! The world is changing. How many coopers do you know,or blacksmiths,or thatchers or cordwainers,shoemakers,100 others?

I agree,it is sad and disappointing,but the fact is that a degree in electronic engineering is more attractive to many employers than a colouring in degree or an apprenticeship.

Maybe you should make videos of your skills for future generations to learn from…..I’m not taking the p1ss,serious suggestion.

 

[gus-lopez]

My mate, with the unknown make van, has it in the garage to replace the rear oil seal and fit a new clutch.
It's been on a lift for two and half weeks and no closer.
They can't find a seal as the engine is a transplant so the reg number and engine don't tally. (it was originally a 2ltr petrol )
I went and had a look today and a bit of rag uncovered the FORD part number on the seal.
Next, into town to an independant factors, gave them the part number...... New seal arrives tomorrow.
What is wrong with garages today.... They've had a lift taken up for 2½ weeks yet it took me 30 minutes to get the seal.

As others have said. OD x ID x width down the seal shop.

I think they'd been trying to get the seal going by the reg number, which most dealers and motor factors seem to insist on

Reminds me of wanting something a couple of years back. " what's the reg"
" it is spanish"
"sorry can't help then"
To say I lost the plot would be an understatement.

 

[jockaneezer]

Don’t despair! The world is changing. How many coopers do you know,or blacksmiths,or thatchers or cordwainers,shoemakers,100 others?

I agree,it is sad and disappointing,but the fact is that a degree in electronic engineering is more attractive to many employers than a colouring in degree or an apprenticeship.

Maybe you should make videos of your skills for future generations to learn from…..I’m not taking the p1ss,serious suggestion.

Oscar, the ten year old that lives at the top of our road was watching me weld up the jack leg from our timber trailer the other night. I didn't realise he was there as I was preoccupied, but long story short, he's coming for a welding lesson in a weeks time !

 

[Podney]

Oscar, the ten year old that lives at the top of our road was watching me weld up the jack leg from our timber trailer the other night. I didn't realise he was there as I was preoccupied, but long story short, he's coming for a welding lesson in a weeks time !

Fantastic! Can I come?………no,too far away.

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[pappajohn]

How hard would it have been for them to just whip the old seal out and take some measurements ?
I despair with the way things are going, "Yeah, we'll just plug it into the computer and Bob will wheel out the 'parts cannon' and we'll start firing replacement bits at it until it's fixed, or you run out of money, whichever comes first ?"
I recently changed the harmonic crankshaft pulley on our son's CRV, I made up this adjustable tool from an old Stanley screwdriver to remove the old seal, the hook slides along the shaft, under the rubber lip and you pivot it out against the adjustable leg, then knock the new seal in using a suitably sized socket.
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Today's 'mechanics' wouldn't know what to do with it if, and I mean if, they could make it.

 

[pappajohn]

As others have said. OD x ID x width down the seal shop.

That was the next option if the factors couldn't help.
We do have an indipendant bearing supplier, Wold Bearings, who also do oil seals and limited gaskets. We got the vernier gauge out and took the dimensions to go to the bearing people but obviously wasn't needed.

 

[pappajohn]

Fantastic! Can I come?………no,too far away.

Me too.
Spent an hour yesterday trying to extends a 150mm coach bolt to 230mm.
Every time I ground back the birdshit weld the piece fell in two again, and again.
Figured after a few attempts I wasn't getting enough heat to penetrate into the bolt.... Banged the mig up a bit.
That worked, sound as a pound.

 

[Landy Andy]

It’s strange that people who can fix things are now rare, but the tosser that just buys crap, and sells it for more is far more respected.

 

[Stag man]

The rear oil seal is the perfect definition of S*ds Law
If it can leak, then it will
Solution - full strip down (again)

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[pappajohn]

Good thing with the old transits (not sure about modern ones), the seal is in its own 'bolt on' housing so gearbox out and 6 bolts and you have the seal in your hands.
No need to drop the sump which saves a lot of work.

 

[scally]

My mate, with the unknown make van, has it in the garage to replace the rear oil seal and fit a new clutch.
It's been on a lift for two and half weeks and no closer.
They can't find a seal as the engine is a transplant so the reg number and engine don't tally. (it was originally a 2ltr petrol )
I went and had a look today and a bit of rag uncovered the FORD part number on the seal.
Next, into town to an independant factors, gave them the part number...... New seal arrives tomorrow.
What is wrong with garages today.... They've had a lift taken up for 2½ weeks yet it took me 30 minutes to get the seal.

Ive just had yo do the same with my H plate Talbot.
Garage couldn't get a clutch, I went on line picked it up from local depot next day.
Garage couldn't get get two seals and a flywheel. I got all ordered within 24 hours.

 

[Wack]

Mechanics will die out same as many other trades, 30 years from now the ICE engine will be done with , servicing will be brakes ,wheel bearings and changing electric motors and batteries

Even now it's hard to find a garage that will fix things, all they want to do is servicing

 

[Spriddler]

Mechanics will die out same as many other trades, 30 years from now the ICE engine will be done with , servicing will be brakes ,wheel bearings and changing electric motors and batteries

Even now it's hard to find a garage that will fix things, all they want to do is servicing

I left the trade 50 years ago after serving my 5 year apprenticeship at a R/R, Bentley and Jag main dealer as even then I spent more time waiting at the stores to get replacement parts rather than my preference to be fixing things. Mind you, with today's labour rates at between £60 and £160 an hour it's probably cheaper to fit new or rebuilt replacements (generally having a warranty) than take a couple of hours or more repairing an item (that's if it's possible to dismantle it and component parts are available).

 

[2 Jabs]

Ex RN engineer here, real engineers will become visitor attractions like steam railways and classic car museums.

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[Spriddler]

Ex RN engineer here, real engineers will become visitor attractions like steam railways and classic car museums.

Quite so, and has already happened.
At Amberley Chalk Pit museum in Sussex there's a 'preserved' village garage which is exactly like the village garage workshop where I got my first job in 1961 which had remained unchanged for maybe 30 years. I loved it; we fixed anything and everything.

Visit - Amberley Museum

Visit Amberley Museum and travel back in time and explore the South’s working past with over 40 exhibit areas to discover.

www.amberleymuseum.co.uk

I still drop by at the old garage when out for a run round the lanes on one of my motorbikes.

 

[2 Jabs]

That is a great place to visit. One of my previous jobs was with EDF who provided the electrical display and we gained free entry on production of our EDF id.

I have also been to a classic car show there which is a good day out and helps to raise funds to maintain it.

One of the James Bond movies was shot there.

 

[MitchandJenny]

REME 3 year course as a vehicle technician at Carlisle Army Apprentice College 15 years old to 18, then 22 years
all over.
NOT fixing something was NOT an option.
Loved it !!

 

[pappajohn]

The garage had aquired two oil seals, both of which were obviously wrong.
I bet they find their way onto the final bill too.
As for the stainless exhaust mentioned in my previous thead, I got a look while checking the seal.
Standard exhaust made up of various parts to exit at the rear.
Got to be cheaper than the £1500 quoted for stainless.

 

[Stag man]

It’s horses for courses I guess.
I grew up in a house where everything was either made from scratch or repaired.
My son comes from the age where everything is downloaded via the internet
Im just happy being me, cos I understand my world

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