CORONAVIRUS tunnel and ferries?

[colyboy]

Just interested are there any checks been taken re Coronavirus at the ferries and tunnels

Colyboy

 

[nabsim]

Are there any checks anywhere apart from known hot spots? Not that I am aware of. You have to report it yourself and self isolate if you think you are ill.

 

[Northernraider]

A bit of perception on Coronavirus


scare mongering media BS as per. All over papers, tv and radio creating unnecessary fear. I heard the symptoms on the radio before and it’s basically just flu like symptoms......yes, it’s still flu season. Unreal but please read on......

IF YOU BELIEVE CORONAVIRUS IS A GENUINE THING/THREAT THEN YOU NEED QUARANTINING FOR VERY DIFFERENT REASONS!!!!! ????‍?????

lets get this into perspective.....

Copied from a friend...

Corona Virus Truth Bomb

I’m so shocked at how out of proportion this has got-

Huge annual events cancelled in multiple countries

Easyjet Shares down 18%

Chinese Grand Prix cancelled

Rugby Six Nations cancelled

Total cost to airlines so far 30bn USD

Total flight cancellations 260,000 flights

Cathay Pacific have over 50% of their fleet grounded- HK need this airline to be on top form more than ever now with everything going on over there.

International border crossings closed and people turned away from countries.

Turkey and Pakistan have both closed borders with Iran

People panic buying !!

Nurses in Hebei Provence apparently having their heads forcibly shaved to prevent further infection !!

So many industries and trades affected- Retail, Healthcare, Tech, Tourism and E-Commerce are just a few examples.

We could easily cause major disruption to the global economy if we carry on as we are......this will be a HUGE problem.

So here’s the rough reality:

This thing has killed around 3000 people, out of what is now verging on 80,000 confirmed cases......

That’s a death rate of around 4% - 3000 out of 80,000 since NYE when the first case was reported.

So let’s say hypothetically for arguments sake say that in the first quarter of 2020 the Novel Corona Virus has killed 3000 people.......

Let’s presume, just to be dramatic that the spread continues despite overwhelming international effort....... and that mortality rate goes up by 50% with each quarter, unlikely but we’re being dramatic about this.....

So that’s

Q1- 3000 people

Q2- 4500 people

Q3- 6750 people

Q4- 10,125 people

Let’s be even more dramatic just for bants and 4 X that number- you get 40,500 people...... based on the speed it’s spreading and killing those numbers are waaaaay over what is more than likely the reality.

Sod it, let’s 10 X that number worst case scenario - we’re now at 405,000.

THE COMMON COLD/STANDARD FLU KILLS 646,000 PEOPLE A YEAR GLOBALLY

This is LESS dangerous and LESS of a threat than THE COMMON COLD/STANDARD FLU
(which is basically what it is )!!

Another example of the worlds media creating fear and panic for whatever reason or as a way to distract us from something else.

This post isn’t for scientific accuracy, but to help people understand PERSPECTIVE, in the grand scheme of things. It’s about proportional response to a crisis and how this effects the global economy.

Also guess what happens to cases that don’t die? They literally get over it..... 80,000 confirmed cases doesn’t mean 80,000 people have it NOW....... it’s the amount of people who have caught this new strain of FLU since NYE- that’s literally it.

Most of them have now been discharged

Mountain out of a molehill

Can we all calm down now please?

Also mosquitos kill over 1000 people a day..... you don’t see people wearing full body mosquito nets down the street !!

 

[colyboy]

Thanks for your reply

 

[sylvester1954]

My son living is living and working in Japan and tells me that all schools will be closed for a month!

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[vwalan]

Just interested are there any checks been taken re Coronavirus at the ferries and tunnels

Colyboy

as far as i know there is no checks on the torpoint ferry.
might be on the ferry across the mersey.

 

[Mickthemove]

Yeah, let the poor, people with underlying health probs and the old die and do nothing....................

I for one will avoid being in a confined space with volumes of people, firstly to reduce the risk of catching it, then spreading in and lastly, i don't want to be quarantined putting my livelihood at risk. I will travel on the tunnel because i am in my vehicle, but am holding of booking a ferry from Genoa until as late as possible and see where this thing actually goes.

I love how some people can write 100K people might die (and that is the very very lowest forecasts i have seen) and not take a breath. When you go to mosquito or other disease infected areas infected areas, you take precautions.

I am in no doubt people thought the Spanish Flu was pure hyperbole as well and that done in 18 million iirc

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

If your on the tunnel crossing you could hold your breath for that long.

 

[Offagain]

We are just about to board the Eurotunnel train.
Nobody has asked where we’ve been on our travels, apart from where we came from today.
We weren’t asked about our health.
Nobody has looked in the van.
I did see a couple of emergency services vans parked up just before check in with the side doors open and a person In a hazmat suit and mask in each of them but it’s unclear how or at what point they would be used.

 

[Makingtrax]

A bit of perception on Coronavirus


scare mongering media BS as per. All over papers, tv and radio creating unnecessary fear. I heard the symptoms on the radio before and it’s basically just flu like symptoms......yes, it’s still flu season. Unreal but please read on......

IF YOU BELIEVE CORONAVIRUS IS A GENUINE THING/THREAT THEN YOU NEED QUARANTINING FOR VERY DIFFERENT REASONS!!!!! ????‍?????

lets get this into perspective.....

Copied from a friend...

Corona Virus Truth Bomb

I’m so shocked at how out of proportion this has got-

Huge annual events cancelled in multiple countries

Easyjet Shares down 18%

Chinese Grand Prix cancelled

Rugby Six Nations cancelled

Total cost to airlines so far 30bn USD

Total flight cancellations 260,000 flights

Cathay Pacific have over 50% of their fleet grounded- HK need this airline to be on top form more than ever now with everything going on over there.

International border crossings closed and people turned away from countries.

Turkey and Pakistan have both closed borders with Iran

People panic buying !!

Nurses in Hebei Provence apparently having their heads forcibly shaved to prevent further infection !!

So many industries and trades affected- Retail, Healthcare, Tech, Tourism and E-Commerce are just a few examples.

We could easily cause major disruption to the global economy if we carry on as we are......this will be a HUGE problem.

So here’s the rough reality:

This thing has killed around 3000 people, out of what is now verging on 80,000 confirmed cases......

That’s a death rate of around 4% - 3000 out of 80,000 since NYE when the first case was reported.

So let’s say hypothetically for arguments sake say that in the first quarter of 2020 the Novel Corona Virus has killed 3000 people.......

Let’s presume, just to be dramatic that the spread continues despite overwhelming international effort....... and that mortality rate goes up by 50% with each quarter, unlikely but we’re being dramatic about this.....

So that’s

Q1- 3000 people

Q2- 4500 people

Q3- 6750 people

Q4- 10,125 people

Let’s be even more dramatic just for bants and 4 X that number- you get 40,500 people...... based on the speed it’s spreading and killing those numbers are waaaaay over what is more than likely the reality.

Sod it, let’s 10 X that number worst case scenario - we’re now at 405,000.

THE COMMON COLD/STANDARD FLU KILLS 646,000 PEOPLE A YEAR GLOBALLY

This is LESS dangerous and LESS of a threat than THE COMMON COLD/STANDARD FLU
(which is basically what it is )!!

Another example of the worlds media creating fear and panic for whatever reason or as a way to distract us from something else.

This post isn’t for scientific accuracy, but to help people understand PERSPECTIVE, in the grand scheme of things. It’s about proportional response to a crisis and how this effects the global economy.

Also guess what happens to cases that don’t die? They literally get over it..... 80,000 confirmed cases doesn’t mean 80,000 people have it NOW....... it’s the amount of people who have caught this new strain of FLU since NYE- that’s literally it.

Most of them have now been discharged

Mountain out of a molehill

Can we all calm down now please?

Also mosquitos kill over 1000 people a day..... you don’t see people wearing full body mosquito nets down the street !!

The typical death rate for flu is 0.05%. The Corona virus in China is killing 2.3% which means it's 40 to 50 times more deadly and is spreading very fast. The authorities need to take this seriously or a lot of people will die before their time.

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[Northernraider]

The typical death rate for flu is 0.05%. The Corona virus in China is killing 2.3% which means it's 40 to 50 times more deadly and is spreading very fast. The authorities need to take this seriously or a lot of people will die before their time.

Not according to the health authorities.

The media is what's exaggerating matters.

Its actually spreading fairly slowly according to the health experts?‍

 

[Makingtrax]

The other problem is that nearly 5% of Chinese went critical with the virus, and although only half of those died, the hospital facilities required to treat those critical patients will send the NHS over the edge if it gets a foothold here.

 

[Northernraider]

There are 1.36 billion people in china and only 3000 deaths worldwide so far

80,000 confirmed cases


5% of 1.36billion is 68 million

 

[Blue Knight]

Its actually spreading fairly slowly according to the health experts?‍

Sadly, that can't be said for the global economy. I think the term "fairly buggered" comes to mind with the US announcing yesterday that we're facing a crisis in excess of the 2008 crash.

Things will change with the virus and even the Spanish Health authority has been discussing the issues of border closures and regional ringfencing since Monday.

Funny enough, the New York Times even published an article yesterday saying that this virus pandemic could be the end of the golden child of Europe, i.e. Schengen,

........so the horse has well and truly bolted.

Interesting times ahead!!

 

[LesW]

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[Northernraider]

Yeah, let the poor, people with underlying health probs and the old die and do nothing....................

I for one will avoid being in a confined space with volumes of people, firstly to reduce the risk of catching it, then spreading in and lastly, i don't want to be quarantined putting my livelihood at risk. I will travel on the tunnel because i am in my vehicle, but am holding of booking a ferry from Genoa until as late as possible and see where this thing actually goes.

I love how some people can write 100K people might die (and that is the very very lowest forecasts i have seen) and not take a breath. When you go to mosquito or other disease infected areas infected areas, you take precautions.

I am in no doubt people thought the Spanish Flu was pure hyperbole as well and that done in 18 million iirc

50 million to be precise but that was 1918 and things have moved on considerably since then.

People died back then from ridiculous stuff


Only yesterday my sister had a new lense fitted inside her eye

While awake ?? and is up and driving to work today

 

[Makingtrax]

There are 1.36 billion people in china and only 3000 deaths worldwide so far

80,000 confirmed cases


5% of 1.36billion is 68 million

It's the shape of the graph, it looks like it's exponential. Can see why WHO are considering the 'pandemic' classification. The fact that the symptoms are mild in some people is aiding it's spread.

 

[Northernraider]

Sadly, that can't be said for the global economy. I think the term "fairly buggered" comes to mind with the US announcing yesterday that we're facing a crisis in excess of the 2008 crash.

Things will change with the virus and even the Spanish Health authority has been discussing the issues of border closures and regional ringfencing since Monday.

Funny enough, the New York Times even published an article yesterday saying that this virus pandemic could be the end of the golden child of Europe, i.e. Schengen,

........so the horse has well and truly bolted.

Interesting times ahead!!

You have to wonder if engineered deliberately ?

 

[tacr2man]

hysteria seems to be coming a prevalent thing eg Climate Emergency .
Price of gold is still on the up over £1250 !

 

[Blue Knight]

You have to wonder if engineered deliberately ?

One big issue is that this whole virus-thing is only ever going to get worse (for the foreseeable future at least) and with the markets already tumbling and, with no chance of any stability ahead then we could all feel the effect and to a considerable degree too.

As a medical footnote: I was watching the telly this morning Tam and with so many people having respiratory, coronary or immune system weaknesses then this is probably the demographic that really needs to be aware of their future movements and actions.

Otherwise, everything is just chipper.

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[mitzimad]

Spanish flu went global at a time when few people travelled abroad todays globe trotting lifestyle will spread it faster

 

[The Wino]

There are 1.36 billion people in china and only 3000 deaths worldwide so far

80,000 confirmed cases


5% of 1.36billion is 68 million

But look at the actions the Chinese have taken to prevent spread. What's the other option you suggest ignore it and hope for the best?

 

[Northernraider]

But look at the actions the Chinese have taken to prevent spread. What's the other option you suggest ignore it and hope for the best?

No I suggest like the who organisation suggests be sensible.

Not what the media suggests and PANIC!!!!!!

 

[Northernraider]

Spanish flu went global at a time when few people travelled abroad todays globe trotting lifestyle will spread it faster

Few people travelled abroad lol

It was during ww1 ??

 

[Langtoftlad]

If any Western nation was serious about "containment" then they would simply close the airports & ferry ports.
But that would put human cost above economic cost...
So money talks, so won't happen.

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[Makingtrax]

There are 1.36 billion people in china and only 3000 deaths worldwide so far

80,000 confirmed cases


5% of 1.36billion is 68 million

It's 5% of those who 'catch it' have critical problems. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

 

[Northernraider]

It's 5% of those who 'catch it' have critical problems. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Yes that's the thing the deaths like the everyday common cold have had underlying health issues. The other 77000 confirmed cases have all been fine.

 

[Wildbill]

Spanish flu went global at a time when few people travelled abroad todays globe trotting lifestyle will spread it faster

January 1918 – December 1920 was the time of the Spanish flu after nov 1918 there were huge movements of troops all over the world not including refuges returning home.
Probably millions of moment per day by train road and sea there was million of displaced people world wide
bill

 

[ukbill]

Crossed over on wednesday,calais dover,no checks,apart from the wine and the smoked,

 

[Makingtrax]

Yes that's the thing the deaths like the everyday common cold have had underlying health issues. The other 77000 confirmed cases have all been fine.

Yes but if 5% of cases end up in intensive care, like China, the NHS would be in meltdown.

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