CL charges - they have to be kidding. (1 Viewer)

[GeriatricWanderer]

This afternoon I was browsing a friend's C&MC sites book and noticed one particular CL charging £10 or £12 plus an additional charge for an awning!

That can't be normal, surely?

I thought CSs and CLs were supposed to be basic low cost - spare bit of land on a farm.

I think I'm going to regret taking my 2017 trip in the UK instead of my usual French bimble.
I was half thinking of using CLs and CSs but maybe not.

 

[Puddleduck]

£10 to £15 appears to be the going rate. About half the cost of a club site.

A farm is a business - many CL / CS facilities have invested in EHU, water taps and waste facilities. This investment has to pay off.

A friend of ours is investigating opening a CL / CS but the cost of fencing, running a water pipe in and a new septic tank has taken her a bit by surprise.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

At the right time you can get a Premier Inn room for less that the price of a site.
How do you justify charging a lot for an empty field on a CL site?

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[Gromett]

This afternoon I was browsing a friend's C&MC sites book and noticed one particular CL charging £10 or £12 plus an additional charge for an awning!

That can't be normal, surely?

I thought CSs and CLs were supposed to be basic low cost - spare bit of land on a farm.

I think I'm going to regret taking my 2017 trip in the UK instead of my usual French bimble.
I was half thinking of using CLs and CSs but maybe not.

That is the good thing about CL's. There are so many of them that you can skip the ones that you don't think suite you. I have never seen anyone charge for an Awning before but I can understand the logic. I have seen caravans stay for 10 days and totally decimate a large square of grass with the ground sheet. This does cost money to sort on occasions.

 

[Forestboy]

This afternoon I was browsing a friend's C&MC sites book and noticed one particular CL charging £10 or £12 plus an additional charge for an awning!

That can't be normal, surely?

I thought CSs and CLs were supposed to be basic low cost - spare bit of land on a farm.

I think I'm going to regret taking my 2017 trip in the UK instead of my usual French bimble.
I was half thinking of using CLs and CSs but maybe not.

Change your plans go to France, better weather better food better facilities far more motorhome friendly and even paying for crossing the channel still cheaper.
We rarely use our van in the UK anymore.

 

[Gromett]

At the right time you can get a Premier Inn room for less that the price of a site.
How do you justify charging a lot for an empty field on a CL site?

Have you looked how much it costs to install a septic tank, run armoured cable for the hookups etc etc? Not to mention the cost of electric..

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[Puddleduck]

A friend of ours is investigating opening a CL / CS but the cost of fencing, running a water pipe in and a new septic tank has taken her a bit by surprise.

How do you justify charging a lot for an empty field on a CL site?

Have you looked how much it costs to install a septic tank, run armoured cable for the hookups etc etc? Not to mention the cost of electric..

And having it all tested. When there is a private water supply it has to be tested regularly, which isn't cheap.

 

[DavidG58]

At the right time you can get a Premier Inn room for less that the price of a site.
How do you justify charging a lot for an empty field on a CL site?

you are sucked in by the adverts as well then, £29 / night yeah right

Sunday night in some black hole maybe, supply and demand applies, we use PI and have paid nearly £100, typically double the £29 they lead with

 

[Badknee]

We pay £12 a night incl ehu, it's less than a mile away from Angela's work and suits us just fine. Considering we have had electric heaters running 24/7 since perhaps October I think it's value for money.

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[Deleted member 29692]

Such places are privately operated by the landowners. They can charge whatever they like and don't have to justify it to anyone.

If you don't like the price then stay somewhere else.

 

[chesterfield hooligan]

We pay £12 a night incl ehu, it's less than a mile away from Angela's work and suits us just fine. Considering we have had electric heaters running 24/7 since perhaps October I think it's value for money.

It's expensive compared to Spain/Portugal for a site many are paying €300 a month

 

[DanielFord]

Last weekend we stayed at a site in Swanage that charged us £15 per night, it has full facilities including an indoor heated pool. Which obviously we used in the morning. There is a CL located a little out of town that has almost no facilities that also charges £15 per night!

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[GeriatricWanderer]

Such places are privately operated by the landowners. They can charge whatever they like and don't have to justify it to anyone.

If you don't like the price then stay somewhere else.

Oh such a friendly fellow you are. Such a joy to have a warm hearted soul like you on this forum.
Grumpy doesn't come into it.

Have a charming weekend and I do hope you feel better in the morning.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

Oh such a friendly fellow you are. Such a joy to have a warm hearted soul like you on this forum.
Grumpy doesn't come into it.

Have a charming weekend and I do hope you feel better in the morning.

Nothing to do with being grumpy.

CL and CS operators are running businesses not some sort of free public service. It's entirely up to them how much they charge, not up to their customers to dictate to them.

The fact that they have their pricing set at a particular level suggests that enough people are happy with the cost to make the business viable. Whether or not other people think it's too expensive doesn't matter one little bit.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Oh such a friendly fellow you are. Such a joy to have a warm hearted soul like you on this forum.
Grumpy doesn't come into it.

Have a charming weekend and I do hope you feel better in the morning.

To be fair, you started with the grumpiness ...
What everyone forgets (or ignores the inconvenience) is that England is a small crowded island in comparison to France or Spain. Land prices are notably higher which equates to higher site prices.
Obviously length of stay is a factor but the cost of crossing the channel pays for a fair few nights on sites.
Each to his/her own - beauty of Motorhoming, so much choice of where to go, where to stop and how much you want to pay.

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[Badknee]

It's expensive compared to Spain/Portugal for a site many are paying €300 a month

It may well be Brian but Angela works in Burnley Lancs and not Spain/Portugal.

 

[2657]

We are in the UK for a week shortly and thought we might have a change from our usual CS that charges £12.50 a night with good 16amp electric and basic but good shower and toilet, priced up the CC site nearby and they wanted £27.50 a night and in reality the only extra was a heated shower block, guess where we are staying

Even worse was a price for the Windermere C&CC site in July for 2 nights came in at around £62 and that's with the old git's discount, won't be going there either, looking for CL's or pub stops, sites in the UK are getting very expensive.

 

[DavidG58]

as a private owner of a holiday let, (not quite the same as a CL but similar in some ways) there are a lot of hidden costs, but a large cost in our case we provide bottled gas that costs £160 to replace, 'greedy' guests can abuse the thermostats and we have had 2 bottles consumed in 7 nights, effectively meaning we open up at a loss

a round the houses way of saying, I agree with Nick, the owners will have had set up and running costs that some would not even realise

Insurance alone which they pay without anybody staying, probably rates. keeping the grass cut just in case, maintaining the gateway, then the aggravation of no shows

You wouldn't get me putting myself out for less than £10

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[chesterfield hooligan]

It may well be Brian but Angela works in Burnley Lancs and not Spain/Portugal.

what's in a little commute between friend's

 

[jumartoo]

Have you looked how much it costs to install a septic tank, run armoured cable for the hookups etc etc? Not to mention the cost of electric..

Our neighbours in Spain (I know it's not the UK) have installed all the above and offer free WIFI also for the price of €7 + €3 for leccy. They don't know whether raising their rate will lose them business so it's a dilemma for them. The rate has been the same since 2011 and some people still complain. I expect they pay far more in their home countries for a similar service.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Even worse was a price for the Windermere C&CC site in July for 2 nights came in at around £62 and that's with the old git's discount

Demand+location+short summer season = higher prices.
Can you get a hotel, apartment, or B&B for £30/nt in the heart of Windermere in summer?

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[Ivory55]

It's a shame more cl site do not hav a hard standing and not EHU as most people have a solar panel on their van or caravan now so would reduce the costs for the site owners.

 

[2657]

Demand+location+short summer season = higher prices.
Can you get a hotel, apartment, or B&B for £30/nt in the heart of Windermere in summer?

I see your point but I don't want a hotel, I want a bit of dirt to park my bed on with reasonable facilities. Whilst CC & C&CC sites are always well looked after and clean etc and can be good value out of season their prices are too high for me when I can get the same facilities on a CL for less than half the price.

Obviously their pricing is commercially successful as most of their sites seem to be booked up in the high season, BTW the Windermere site is a long way from Windermere and not even that close to Staveley.

 

[Khizzie]

Change your plans go to France, better weather better food better facilities far more motorhome friendly and even paying for crossing the channel still cheaper.
We rarely use our van in the UK anymore.

And as a bonus it leaves those of us who appreciate this lovely country more space. Lol

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[Puddleduck]

The friend of ours who is looking at opening a CL (basic site,no electric, no showers, no toilet) has the quotes in for the necessary fencing, water, drains and it comes in at just less than £2000. Then there are running costs such as insurance. At £10 a night she would need to have 200 unit nights to recover her capital costs alone.

I wonder how many people would pay £10 a night for a field with no EHU and very basic facilities? The quote to put in hard standing would double her set-up costs. I have a feeling she won't bother and will let the whole field out for grazing again. Less work and income paid up front.

 

[Eddystone]

Our neighbours in Spain (I know it's not the UK) have installed all the above and offer free WIFI also for the price of €7 + €3 for leccy. They don't know whether raising their rate will lose them business so it's a dilemma for them. The rate has been the same since 2011 and some people still complain. I expect they pay far more in their home countries for a similar service.

As a matter of interest, is it a 16amp EHU?

 

[Deleted member 29692]

The friend of ours who is looking at opening a CL (basic site,no electric, no showers, no toilet) has the quotes in for the necessary fencing, water, drains and it comes in at just less than £2000. Then there are running costs such as insurance. At £10 a night she would need to have 200 unit nights to recover her capital costs alone.

I wonder how many people would pay £10 a night for a field with no EHU and very basic facilities? The quote to put in hard standing would double her set-up costs. I have a feeling she won't bother and will let the whole field out for grazing again. Less work and income paid up front.

Add to that utility bills at commercial rates, insurance and ongoing maintenance costs and the figure will be considerably more than £2000. If she decides to add EHU as well then also add annual test and inspection of that installation.

For anyone considering opening one on land that could have another use, agricultural for example, the likely income from the CL has to be more than they would get from using the land for anything else or it's simply not worth the bother.

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[jumartoo]

As a matter of interest, is it a 16amp EHU?

No sorry only 6 amp.

 

[chesterfield hooligan]

No sorry only 6 amp.

so no electric welding then

 

[buttons]

How about I come and stay on your driveway, I will need somewhere to empty my liquid and solid waist, I will need fresh water and electricity, I presume that your drive is in and area of outstanding beauty and you have to let the authorities know and paid any extra taxes etc.
I don't mind paying for my stay, I'll give you a tenner for your trouble....

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