Changing to Private HGV - DVLA and the V5C (1 Viewer)

[RFS]

i have recently gone through the the exercise to uplift my weight from 3500Kg to 4200Kg.

All the supporting paperwork (including a new VIN sticker) obtained very quickly from the JR Consultancy and sent with original V5C to DVLA during April.

I received a generic confirmation letter last week from DVLA to inform me changes had been made and a refund of excise duty (where appropriate) wold be made n due course and my new V5C would follow separately.

New V5C arrived this morning. Revenue weight now 4200kg, however, on V5C the following weights remain as per the original V5C:

F.1 Max. Permissible Mass (exc. m/c) 3500
G Mass in service 3500

When I saw this alarm bells sounded as my new plate clearly shows the new axle weights of 1850kg and 2350kg respectively and a GVM of 4200kg with a GTM of 6000kg.

Having done a quick search online, it appears there were similar issues a few years ago and the V5C had to go back, again, to DVLA.

I have called the, this afternoon and the person I spoke to didn't really seem to understand my point and she then put me on hold whilst speaking with a supervisor. This didn't appear to resolve anything and I've been instructed to return the V5C with a covering letter.

Has anyone else had a similar problem recently? I'm also a little worried as I now have a new VIN plate (alongside the original) and don't want any problems if pulled by either VOSA or the police.

Clearly until resolved I will have to make sure I am under the 3500 as recorded by DVLA and hope I don't get prosecuted for displaying a 'false' VIN plate.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Rob

 

[Lenny HB]

They always do that I've mentioned it loads of times on threads on here about uprating.
Took me nearly 4 months to get mine corrected. You need to return the V5 together with a letter explaing what needs changing in words of one syllable.

 

[RFS]

Thanks @Lenny HB.

I found another thread from last year and it's clear this is a recurring problem.

It makes you worry just how many incorrect V5 documents (not just MH but cars and trucks) there might be out there with owners unaware ...... until the consequences when they get stopped.

I only noticed it by chance.

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[Lenny HB]

Probably not a problem in the UK as they look at your plate but in France and other countries where you have to carry your V5 could be a problem.

 

[Stretto Boy]

A timely post for me. We agreed with the dealer that, as part of our deal for the purchase of our new MH, they would up-plate it to 3650Kg at their expense. I have been looking at the DLLA website weekly and yesterday bingo! The revenue weight has been increased, in fact to 3700Kg thus allowing another 50Kg of wine or a second (very slim) wife I had heard nothing from the dealer, so rang SV Tech (I knew the dealer was using them) to ask about the new weight plate. They said they had posted it to the dealer three weeks ago, presumably in readiness. I contacted the dealer today and have arranged to take it in next Wednesday for the new plate to be affixed. It means a 30 mile journey next week with the wrong plate which I don't like. I am hoping I will be treated leniently, if stopped, if I explain the circumstances and if (as I will ensure it is) the van is under 3500Kg. What do you think? I hate the thought of not complying with the law, even though this will be the only journey since up-plating and without the correct plate on. Got home tonight and have a letter from DVLA dated 12th May, confirming the change. It enclosed a declaration from SV Tech confirming that a new plate has been affixed which is odd because (a) it hasn't and (b) it seems to have been sent in with the application. Why would you confirm the plate has been affixed before the up-plating has been approved? The certificate does show a depiction of the correct plate, so I am going to photocopy it and tape it next to the original plate. I'm sure that isn't strictly legal but at least it shows an honest intent.

 

[RFS]

I had a separate letter from DVLA confirming the changes and telling me I'd get a tax refund and my new V5C separately. They have plc early changed the revenue weight but not the all important max permissible weight on the V5. Make sure you check your V5 is correct (for both weights) when you receive it.

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[Dare_Devil_Dennis]

Hmm VERY interesting I am waiting for the necessary docs from Sv-Tech to send off to DVLA. I think I will enclose a letter with the application explaining what needs changing on the V5 (in words of one syllable). See if that will head the problem off.

 

[magicsurfbus]

The revenue weight has been increased, in fact to 3700Kg thus allowing another 50Kg of wine or a second (very slim) wife

Classic comment - made me laugh . Any thoughts on what you'd choose?

 

[RFS]

I'm trying to work out how many cases will fit safely on her seat....!!

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[Baileysbus]

Classic comment - made me laugh . Any thoughts on what you'd choose?

Slim, blonde, size 8 maybe ....... just sayin

 

[RFS]

Well, if it's a slim blonde, size 8, she could comfortably carry 4 cases of a good red on her lap....!

 

[GWAYGWAY]

I have just been on the phone to DVLA, I sent off the upgrade letters a month and a bit ago ,with a copy of the V5 and it got sent back saying I must send the orginal V5 . I did that and nothing has been heard since then. Hence I phone them up and first advisor just disappeared, I rang again and got another person who checked that everything has been accepted and they said they will get on to the department to get them to expedite the new V5. I wait with bated breath to see what it comes back as on the new V5, 3886 to 4200kg it should be so we will see in the near future, I hope.
The phone number is a paid one so we will see what the charges are for the first, hanging on waiting for a non person to come back to me.

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[tonyidle]

There's nothing special or 'official' about the plate. You could simply prepare your own (then change it for the SV Tech one when it arrives).

 

[magicsurfbus]

Slim, blonde, size 8 maybe ....... just sayin

Well, if it's a slim blonde, size 8, she could comfortably carry 4 cases of a good red on her lap....!

Can't help thinking that extra payload might be needed for all the accessories needed to maintain that condition. They should be factored into the wine/wife 2 calculation.

 

[Minxy]

There's nothing special or 'official' about the plate. You could simply prepare your own (then change it for the SV Tech one when it arrives).

Agree.

@Stretto Boy there's actually no need to make a 30 mile trip to have them attach it either - they could simply post it to you for you to attach.

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[Minxy]

I have just been on the phone to DVLA, I sent off the upgrade letters a month and a bit ago ,with a copy of the V5 and it got sent back saying I must send the orginal V5 . I did that and nothing has been heard since then. Hence I phone them up and first advisor just disappeared, I rang again and got another person who checked that everything has been accepted and they said they will get on to the department to get them to expedite the new V5. I wait with bated breath to see what it comes back as on the new V5, 3886 to 4200kg it should be so we will see in the near future, I hope.
The phone number is a paid one so we will see what the charges are for the first, hanging on waiting for a non person to come back to me.

Try ringing Rebecca - details on my post no 9 on the below thread, she was very helpful and it's not an excessive chargeable number either.

http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/driving-abroad-without-v5c-doc.135107/#post-1954618

 

[Stretto Boy]

Classic comment - made me laugh . Any thoughts on what you'd choose?

I guess something young, fruity and fragrant. I'll leave you to guess whether I'm referring to the wine or the spare wife

 

[Stretto Boy]

I wondered about affixing the weight plate myself but I thought it had to be permanently affixed by riveting or similar. Or is superglue OK?

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[Lenny HB]

I wondered about affixing the weight plate myself but I thought it had to be permanently affixed by riveting or similar. Or is superglue OK?

They are self adhesive, the ones SV supply aren't suitable for fixing outside, normal place to put them is inside the drivers footwell also you are not supposed to cover the original plate.

 

[Stretto Boy]

i have recently gone through the the exercise to uplift my weight from 3500Kg to 4200Kg.

All the supporting paperwork (including a new VIN sticker) obtained very quickly from the JR Consultancy and sent with original V5C to DVLA during April.

I received a generic confirmation letter last week from DVLA to inform me changes had been made and a refund of excise duty (where appropriate) wold be made n due course and my new V5C would follow separately.

New V5C arrived this morning. Revenue weight now 4200kg, however, on V5C the following weights remain as per the original V5C:

F.1 Max. Permissible Mass (exc. m/c) 3500
G Mass in service 3500

When I saw this alarm bells sounded as my new plate clearly shows the new axle weights of 1850kg and 2350kg respectively and a GVM of 4200kg with a GTM of 6000kg.

Having done a quick search online, it appears there were similar issues a few years ago and the V5C had to go back, again, to DVLA.

I have called the, this afternoon and the person I spoke to didn't really seem to understand my point and she then put me on hold whilst speaking with a supervisor. This didn't appear to resolve anything and I've been instructed to return the V5C with a covering letter.

Has anyone else had a similar problem recently? I'm also a little worried as I now have a new VIN plate (alongside the original) and don't want any problems if pulled by either VOSA or the police.

Clearly until resolved I will have to make sure I am under the 3500 as recorded by DVLA and hope I don't get prosecuted for displaying a 'false' VIN plate.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Rob

I have just opened the envelope contains our new V5C logbook and ours appears to be wrong as well! The revenue weight is correctly shown as the new figure of 3700Kg but the maximum permissible mass remains unchanged at 3500Kg and the mass in service as 3112Kg. It seems to me that the first of these figures should be upgraded to 3700Kg as well. The second figure presumably remains at 3112Kg as there has been no physical alteration to the vehicle and thus will give me s new payload of 588Kg compared with the old figure of 388Kg. Have I got this right? Just want to be sure of my ground before I rant st DVLA.

 

[Dare_Devil_Dennis]

I have been advised the following...

"Of the detail DVLA permit to be changed after registration, the F.1 (max permissible mass) data is not one of them.
There is no legal requirement for this to be changed and it is the revenue weight that is used for enforcement purposes."

Any on-line or ANPR checks only bring up the revenue weight.

Has anyone actually had an enforcement problem with this?

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[2657]

My V5 is blank in the section for max permissible mass.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

They take a long time to change the website figures so I hope the enforcers/ Police do not just use that as a reference. Plate say 4200kgs and the website still says 3860

 

[Stretto Boy]

My V5 is blank in the section for max permissible mass.

I think that either means that the weight of the motorhome, driver and passengers, water, food and bits and pieces can't exceed zero (since you have no permissible mass) or that conversely you can carry as much as you want as your permissible mass has no maximum. One way lies misery, the other boundless joy or

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[Lenny HB]

I have been advised the following...

"Of the detail DVLA permit to be changed after registration, the F.1 (max permissible mass) data is not one of them.
There is no legal requirement for this to be changed and it is the revenue weight that is used for enforcement purposes."

Surely if you are over the max permissible weight you must be illegal, the revenue weight is only for taxation purposes.
May not matter in the UK but try explaining it to Mr foreign plod.

 

[PeteH]

My V5 is blank in the section for max permissible mass.

As Is mine?. All "plod" (or VOSA) will be interested in is that the revenue mass is more than the Weighbridge Figure!.

 

[Pausim]

Just had a look at the V5 for my Hymer which was plated at 4200Kg when new. The revenue weight is shown as 4200Kg and both the maximum permissible mass and mass in service have been left blank.

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[rangi]

Cannot understand some owners thinking. Looked at a 2000 Fiat van today, quite a professional fit out, fella wanted £6000.
Yes I would be prepared to pay that for a PCV, on the V5!! Fella could not understand when I told him IT WAS A 2000 VAN!
NOT a M/H, ergo only worth under £2k, he hadn't changed the V5, he expected ME to get it changed after, in all reality, paying over 2/3rds what the thing was worth ON THE V5

 

[Lenny HB]

Mine are all filled in Revenue weight & Mass permissible at 4500kg, and Mass in service 3142.

 

[Lenny HB]

Cannot understand some owners thinking. Looked at a 2000 Fiat van today, quite a professional fit out, fella wanted £6000.
Yes I would be prepared to pay that for a PCV, on the V5!! Fella could not understand when I told him IT WAS A 2000 VAN!
NOT a M/H, ergo only worth under £2k, he hadn't changed the V5, he expected ME to get it changed after, in all reality, paying over 2/3rds what the thing was worth ON THE V5

Lots of new professionally converted PVC's are registered as vans, don't see your problem. Although I would agree from the point of view of speed limits it is better to have it registered as a Motor Caravan it does not effect the value.

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