Change timing belt? (1 Viewer)

[dosser]

Had mine done a couple of weeks ago on a 2013 Ducato. Full kit, belt pump pulleys £390 independant garage. Thought id get it done ready for the off whenever that will be..???

 

[Ingwe]

My 2012 Peugeot Boxer 130bhp 2.3 engine has a timing chain. I had understood that, whilst a Peugeot, it is actually a Fiat engine. So now I'm confused.

 

[tonyidle]

My 2012 Peugeot Boxer 130bhp 2.3 engine has a timing chain. I had understood that, whilst a Peugeot, it is actually a Fiat engine. So now I'm confused.

Both part of the Sevel group and share body and mechanical parts but not necessarily in the same combinations. Bodies are built in the same factory.

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[joka250]

My 2012 Peugeot Boxer 130bhp 2.3 engine has a timing chain. I had understood that, whilst a Peugeot, it is actually a Fiat engine. So now I'm confused.

You could say it's a Fiat with a Peugeot (or Ford) engine. Or is my Ducato a Peugeot with a Fiat engine.

 

[Geo]

Anyone dithering a cam belt change because of price would do well to consider the cost of replacement is circa 10% of the cost of repairs due to failure.

 

[dunnah01]

My 2012 Peugeot Boxer 130bhp 2.3 engine has a timing chain. I had understood that, whilst a Peugeot, it is actually a Fiat engine. So now I'm confused.

Shouldn't that be the 2.2 HDI Ford Transit lump in the Peugeot?

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[Hettie's Crew]

My 2012 Peugeot Boxer 130bhp 2.3 engine has a timing chain. I had understood that, whilst a Peugeot, it is actually a Fiat engine. So now I'm confused.

You say 2.3, are you sure it’s not 2.2 and the PSA/Ford engine?

 

[peterc10]

My 2012 Peugeot Boxer 130bhp 2.3 engine has a timing chain. I had understood that, whilst a Peugeot, it is actually a Fiat engine. So now I'm confused.

AFAIK every 2.3l engine fitted in a motorhome coming out of the Sevel factory has a cam belt. As other have said, are you sure you do not have the 2.2l Ford engine

 

[Ingwe]

You say 2.3, are you sure it’s not 2.2 and the PSA/Ford engine?

You're quite right; it's only 2.2 litre.
It does have a a timing chain though, not a belt.
I cut and paste some details from another site who's name I will not mention writing in 2011:

"The new Boxer is powered by three new latest-generation HDi common rail diesel engines that all conform to the Euro 4 emission standards. The engines are also fitted with an electronic onboard diagnosis (EOBD) system to monitor exhaust emissions:
A 2.2 litre HDi diesel engine derived from the co-operation between PSA Peugeot Citroen and Ford is available in two versions: 100 bhp and 120 bhp. A 3.0 litre HDi SOFIM diesel engine with a power of 157 bhp.

2.2 LITRE HDI DIESEL ENGINE
This new 4-cylinder HDi common rail diesel engine has been specially designed for commercial vehicles. Its capacity is 2198 cm³, obtained by a bore of 86 mm and a stroke of 94.6 mm.
This engine is equipped with a cast-iron engine block, a 16-valve aluminium cylinder head and two overhead camshafts. The camshafts are chain driven and a fixed geometry type turbocharger is used. By using the latest-generation common rail direct injection system, with an increased injection pressure of 1600 bars, the system reduces both noise and emissions.
The system ensures that there is always high pressure fuel available for each injection phase during the combustion cycle. The operating principle involves the use of electromagnetic injectors, controlled individually, which enables a finer fuel spray to be injected into the combustion chamber. The gains in terms of complete combustion and energy efficiency provided by this process, results in reduced emissions, fuel savings and a higher engine torque output. A high-capacity exhaust gas recirculation system, controlled electronically (e-EGR), lowers the combustion temperature and helps to reduce emissions of nitrogen oxide and 'black smoke' by around a half. This 'intelligent' electronic system monitors the flow of air and corrects it automatically in the event of an EGR unbalance, or if a valve is jammed. It continually adapts to the engine's operating conditions and is water cooled.The 100 bhp version is combined with a 5-speed manual gearbox and has a maximum torque of 185 lb ft at 1500 rpm. "
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[Squirepete]

My 2009 09reg 100multijet 2198cc has the timing CHAIN. In its Ford Puma engine.

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[Stealaway]

This site is interesting

High technology and the best engines for your Fiat Ducato Camper

Ducato is Fiat Professional’s camper base. Innovative and versatile, it re-defines the concept of comfort, offering many services for motor homers.

www.fiatcamper.com

 

[dunnah01]

My 2009 09reg 100multijet 2198cc has the timing CHAIN. In its Ford Puma engine.

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I thought the 100bhp engine was 2.4 litres?

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[Ninjabob]

The new (2017 160bhp) Peugeot engine is 10yrs for a cambelt change.

 

[denisejoe]

I had mine changed about 2 months before I went to France , It went on my second day in France and it cost me over 8 grand just call me lucky

Had the same 8300euros said we will pay now no they said pay when done exchange rate at the time was about 150 to the pound 7 weeks later about 120

 

[dunnah01]

The new (2017 160bhp) Peugeot engine is 10yrs for a cambelt change.

Wow - you'd be brave to try that!

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[Wildbill]

up to you 300 or 8k when your head is knackered i would just have it done pice of mind
bill

 

[Ninjabob]

Wow - you'd be brave to try that!

Cambelts are the work of Satan. I believe they were put on solely for the purpose of giving Stealers a bit of bunce - bit like hab checks or supplying new vans with two year ALDE fluid instead of five year!

 

[Garfields]

Cambelts are the work of Satan. I believe they were put on solely for the purpose of giving Stealers a bit of bunce - bit like hab checks or supplying new vans with two year ALDE fluid instead of five year!

The main problem with some motor homes is getting access to do the job.
OK on standard cabs but some coach built ones there is little consideration for doing maintenance
Timing chains can be just as problematic
Some BMW's have had big issues and its an engine out job to repair even if its not got to the point of failure

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[dunnah01]

Many timing belts drive other items such as water pumps and HP diesel pumps. If these items fail then the cambelt and valves can go with them. Often frayed auxiliary belts get caught in timing belts which also causes teeth slippage and engine failure. So if the belt isn't changed all these other parts need to have the same service life. Cam chains tend to only drive the cams so have to fail or be excessively stretched prior to catastrophic failure. Most engines will go into limp mode due to chain stretch long before chain breakage and catastrophy happen.

 

[Geo]

up to you 300 or 8k when your head is knackered i would just have it done pice of mind
bill

Thats cos you change cam belts faster than your underpants
We mechanical types dont have to feel the pain do we