Carthago weight plate confused (1 Viewer)

[Lanerboy]

Hi am

I get my new carthago next week but am confused about the weight plate as front axle says 2100kg rear says 2500kg but these do not add up to the gvw of 4500kg

Also been reading about payload and am now worrying a bit about this should I be ok at 4500kg for a carthago c line model

 

[tacr2man]

It adds up to more to allow a margin of where the load is actually spread , ie give some flexibility as long as you dont exceed any of the 3 sets of weights . Also if you tow you are only allowed a train weight of 6000kg , so if your vehicle is at its max gross weight of 4.5 ton then you can only pull 1500kg

 

[pappajohn]

The two weights are maximum individual axle weights but the gross weight still can't be exceeded.
If you load the rear axle to 2500kg the front axle can only be a maximum 2000kg....the same applies the other way round.. 2100 front.. 2400 rear... Any combination of axle weights within each axle limit can only equal 4500kg in total.
This is to allow for minor uneven loading discrepancies

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[Speve]

Ours is 2300 kg on front and 2500 kg on rear it gives a lot of flexibility on axles as long as you stick to the GVW & GTW. Also able to up plate to 4800 GVW if required, on ours all I need to do is replace tyres for better load rating.

 

[Lanerboy]

I have been told it can up platter to 4800kg but I think it need air suspension for this

I think 4500kg should be ok as there is only the 2 of us

 

[nomade690]

My C line has the same plating as yours but the V5 states a MGW of 4250kg not 4500kg. Does anyone know why this is the case?

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[TinaLes]

My C line has the same plating as yours but the V5 states a MGW of 4250kg not 4500kg. Does anyone know why this is the case?

If you bought your van new, the dealer could have ordered an upgrade plate from Carthago at a cost, ours was £160 extra, only wish it was to get us to 4500KG's but ours would not go to that limit as a C Tourer on the lighter chassis.
Les

 

[nomade690]

I am the second owner. I would like to know what the legal position would be were I to be pulled over for a weight check, given the plate on the vehicle clearly states a MGW of 4500kg.

 

[TinaLes]

I guess that the two legal docs ie: the weight plate on the vehicle and The V5 should marry up and be the same. If the weight plate on the van says 4500KG's then someone would appear to have given the wrong info at time of registration to the DVLA.
Should be an easy paper exercise to have this altered, it should be on the original import docs, if not have a word with The DVLA, but you may have to have the patience of a saint.
If you get pulled over for a weight check as far as I know, they check the given weight on the scales against the weight plate on the vehicle, so you should be OK.
Others will hopefully expand on this, but I would talk to the DVLA in the first instant.
Les

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[pappajohn]

I am the second owner. I would like to know what the legal position would be were I to be pulled over for a weight check, given the plate on the vehicle clearly states a MGW of 4500kg.

I would take photos of the VIN plate CLEARLY showing the 4500kg plus photos of the number plates and van so they can clearly see the number plates on the van then send a covering letter, the photos and V5C to DVLA explaining the discrepancy.

 

[nomade690]

Thank you for the helpful replies. I shall begin my quest and post the outcome, when resolved.

 

[Zepp]

My C line has the same plating as yours but the V5 states a MGW of 4250kg not 4500kg. Does anyone know why this is the case?

Same thing happened to us the dealer give wrong details to the dvla if you ring dvla and explain they will tell you what you have to do

We had to tell the dvla dealers details it took about 10 weeks to get the v5 back

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[Lanerboy]

My C line has the same plating as yours but the V5 states a MGW of 4250kg not 4500kg. Does anyone know why this is the case?

The weight plate, log book and certificate of conformity all have to be 4500kg for you to be legal. If only the plate is 4500kg and the otherc2 are 4250kg then 4250kg is your maximum weight.

Our dealer had to order a new certificate of conformity at 4500kg as the one that came with it was only 4250kg

Hope this helps

 

[Jenben]

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Our dealer had to order a new certificate of conformity at 4500kg as the one that came with it was only 4250kg

Out of interest, what does the Carthago vin plate say? The picture you posted look like the AL-KO one. There should be 3 plates - the original Fiat, the chassis one from Alko and the final converters plate from Carthago. The one that counts for V5 etc is the final one. One our van they follow an interesting path from 3650 up to 3850 then back down to a final 3500

 

[Lanerboy]

This is the plates on my new carthago

BUT I still had to get a certificate of comformity at 4500kg as it was 4250kg eve.n though plates were 4500kg

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[Clarky]

Also been reading about payload and am now worrying a bit about this should I be ok at 4500kg for a carthago c line model

Don’t panic, don’t panic!
We are also 4500kg on our C-Line and we stuff it pretty full for long trips.
With full fresh water (170litres), full fuel and gas we are well under the max weight.

Once you get the van try and find a weighbridge you can stop at on your way out on a trip. That way you can check for your own peace of mind.

Richard.

 

[gus-lopez]

My C line has the same plating as yours but the V5 states a MGW of 4250kg not 4500kg. Does anyone know why this is the case?

Maybe Carthago plated it at that weight ?

I am the second owner. I would like to know what the legal position would be were I to be pulled over for a weight check, given the plate on the vehicle clearly states a MGW of 4500kg.

You'd have problems

Our dealer had to order a new certificate of conformity at 4500kg as the one that came with it was only 4250kg

But was that what Carthago plated it at ? There should always be 3 plates, if an Alko chassis , otherwise 2.
1=Fiat for the chassis/cab
2= Alko ,if it has that chassis
3= final plate from the converter

This is the plates on my new carthago

But there should be a third as above.

 

[Clarky]

These are our three plates. Two were fixed to the van but the Carthago one came with the paperwork and I stuck it on beside the others.

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[TinaLes]

Its all making more sense now, well to me anyway.
That's why we had to pay £160 before collection to Carthago, as this was the amount required by Carthago to get the new stick on weight plate for the upgraded weight from standard.
Bit of a con, but I suppose its to cover their admin time in printing a new sticker with the vin number etc.
It still does not answer the question of why the dealer originally didn't get the appropriate sticker, unless he/she made the assumption that they are all 4250KG,s not knowing that this could be plated/upgraded to 4500 KG,s.
Good luck with The DVLA, I think once all the proof from docs and plates are provided you should be OK to get the V5 updated.

Les

 

[nicholsong]

Les

That is a con.

I asked N&B for an uprated plate for our secondhand Arto for 3850kg (which is what they were designed for, but downplated by the dealer) and was sent one FOC.

Geoff

 

[TinaLes]

Les

That is a con.

I asked N&B for an uprated plate for our secondhand Arto for 3850kg (which is what they were designed for, but downplated by the dealer) and was sent one FOC.

Geoff

Hi Geoff, nothing surprises me, how about this one also, Carthago apparently charge their dealers £60 each year for the Black sticker that has to be placed inside the service log book!
Apparently they do this to ensure that servicing can only be carried out by their approved service agents/dealers, otherwise the ingress warranty is null & Void.
Luckily we didn't have to pay for the first one at 3 months Ingress check which involves as quoted by dealer ("chucking a hosepipe over it"), or the subsequent one at one year as we have 3 years free servicing as part of the sale package.
Its a bit like Hymer insisting on their chassis being sprayed with wax oil stuff each year,in order to keep the warranty,so question is why? if other manufacturers using the same Alco Chassis dont ?
The mind boggles as they say.
Les

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[Clarky]

Les

That is a con.

I asked N&B for an uprated plate for our secondhand Arto for 3850kg (which is what they were designed for, but downplated by the dealer) and was sent one FOC.

Geoff

There’s nowt free with a Carthago.

Richard.

 

[nicholsong]

There’s nowt free with a Carthago.

Richard.

Re my PM, thanks for the warning.

Geoff

 

[Vansflyer]

Just had to clarify this weight issue on the new C-Tourer we are getting. Long story short, 2 x plates on van now, one Fiat, one AL-KO. AL-KO says 2100 front, 2500 rear, 4500 max. However the van can only be registered as a 4250 as that is what Carthago homologated the van at, Carthago will then supply another plate saying 4250 and the van will be registered at DVLA as 4250. Once we receive it I will get it up-plated to 4500, Carthago have confirmed it won't affect the warranty to be at that weight. All very complicated and I guess down to "box ticking" in the conformity statement.

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[Lanerboy]

Vansflyer tell your dealer to do it now before its registered mine has just done it for me they did everything and carthago sent out new cert of comformity and new carthago weight plate and did all the paperwork and vehicle is now reg at 4500kg from new with the DVLA

 

[Vansflyer]

Tried, and Carthago won't do it sadly! Maybe as it's a C-Tourer and not a C-Line..