Campervan Owners Gear Up to Switch to Electric (CampervanMag Mar2023 issue / Outandaboutlive) (1 Viewer)

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OK, OK, I know this is campervans and not motorhomes but I think the general principle applies across both types...
The above news item appears in the latest issue of Campervan magazine. I am very dubious about the results posted. In my broad reading of campervan AND motorhome forums/groups etc, and attending various events etc I think that the 75.5% of existing campervan owners claimed to be planning to switch by 2030 is simply not the case. I suspect that Campervanco's survey went out to their own customer base or target audience. Given that they're a specialist 'eco campervan converter', it would make sense that their customers would be interested in e-campers. They reckon that 20% of their poll respondents will change to an all-e-camper by the end of next year. I think that for the very concerns they quote in the last paragraph, especially cost to change and all the issues around charging, if this survey were to run across a wide range of campervan/motorhome owners (maybe as part of the registration for a large and not 'eco' event), the results would be very different.
I'm not ignoring e-campers. A local converter has been building fully 'e' campers for some time and they're interesting to watch in terms of development. I'm also occasionally watching a chap who with his wife and child are touring Europe in an e-NV200 camper. The posts are interesting but the charging hassle and time makes me edgy even watching on YouTube.
 
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Even if our 20year-old Arto needs replacing, which it may not, in 7 years I will still be able to buy an ICE then at age 88. Also there will second-hand ones around well into my '90s.

Therefore I am not holding my breath for long range and quick charging of EV MHs.
 
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The current government plan is that in 2030, you won't be able to buy a new diesel, even if you want one. It may well be that EV vans have got up to 300 miles range by then, but it'll be considerably less when converted to a motorhome. There won't be much we can do about it. Other than switch to incredibly expensive and small Volkswagen campers. Look after your diesel engines, they might have to last!
 
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I would be surprised if 20% of the poll respondents could actually get a van delivered for next year, whether ice or electric

It will be interesting to see how HM Government draft the rules about the deadline: if one buys a ICE MH in 2029 for delivery in 2031 will that be legal?

Alternatively if one buys an ICE in a country which has a later cut-off will one be able to import it as second-hand after 2030? If yes, then one could buy say a 2035 model and still have it in UK that year.

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The current government plan is that in 2030, you won't be able to buy a new diesel, even if you want one. It may well be that EV vans have got up to 300 miles range by then, but it'll be considerably less when converted to a motorhome. There won't be much we can do about it. Other than switch to incredibly expensive and small Volkswagen campers. Look after your diesel engines, they might have to last!
The current VW e-offering on the Transporter are dire currently, and I definitely wouldn’t be changing to one. The id Buzz is small and won’t widely suit for camper conversion.
My ‘dub’s diesel engine is likely to have to last a long time. It may well be that I’m priced off the road in taxes, fuel costs, road use charging, CAZ’s/LEZs long before the engine dies…
 
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It will be interesting to see how HM Government draft the rules about the deadline: if one buys a ICE MH in 2029 for delivery in 2031 will that be legal?

Alternatively if one buys an ICE in a country which has a later cut-off will one be able to import it as second-hand after 2030? If yes, then one could buy say a 2035 model and still have it in UK that year.
I expect you will still be able to buy a Chinese or Indian ice in 2075.
 
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I expect you will still be able to buy a Chinese or Indian ice in 2075.
But you won't be allowed to register it in the UK.

Also, if they are, they'll be building them for export. EV has had massive adoption in China.
 
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But you won't be allowed to register it in the UK.

Also, if they are, they'll be building them for export. EV has had massive adoption in China.

No law has been passed yet - don't give them ideas.

Parliament in UK will have to think very carefully about de-registering all ICE vehicles already on the road in 2030 and also discriminating against non-UK nationals bringing in their ICE vehicles post 2030.

I shall be very interested in how the UK government drafts the laws. I expect they will tie themselves in knots when they come to it. Policy and detailed drafting do not always come together easily.

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Parliament in UK will have to think very carefully about de-registering all ICE vehicles already on the road in 2030 and also discriminating against non-UK nationals bringing in their ICE vehicles post 2030.
I'm reasonably confident that old vehicles will not be legally forced of the road in 2030. I would be surprised if fuel tax rapidly ramps up though.
 

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You may need to consider building a huge underground tank in your back garden and filling it with diesel, I suspect the government will increase the costs (via tax) to force people to move to EV the closer we get to 2030 !!
 

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I don’t think government has discussed more than banning sales of ‘new’ ICE powered cars in 2030 - they talk generally about cars. There will be plenty of petrol and diesel vehicles on the road for years after that. However, if they could catch up with the planned 100 charge points per day, or whatever the target is, we would see very rapid take up of new electric cars and small vans.

There’ll be loads of changes with all this between now and then. And I’ll be 79!!
 
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Speak for yourself I hope I'm still Motorhoming then, I'll only be 80. :LOL:
Surprising how many on here in their 80's.
Yes there's a lot of us, and what's more if I'm still up to Motorhoming in 2029 I'll be buying another diesel van because just before the cut off because I don't know where the Government are going to conjure up all the electricity from, particularly as they're not doing a lot about planning new nuclear stations. Interesting that at least 2 years ago Tesla put in a row of about 10 chargers at Fleet services and they are still not working.

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