Campervan for family with 2 young teens?

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  1. Lynn Downing

    Lynn Downing

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    Hi all
    We are looking to purchase our first campervan or motor home. We've had a 4 berth caravan in the past but we didn't enjoy towing it so would love to get a van instead. The problem is our daughters are now tall 13 and 10 year olds so we need a decent size 4 berth van....but we'd like it as small as is possible to sleep and house us all comfortably!? Any recommendations? Budget would be 20k at the most really!
    Many Thanks
     
  2. f6c

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  3. Minxy Girl

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    Hi Lynn, welcome to the fun house!

    First things first, what driving licences do you? Are they pre 1997 or later? This will determine whether you have 'grandfather/grandmother' rights to drive vehicles over 3500kg. If you aren't restricted to 3500kg then you'll have a lot more choice as, IMV, a MH up to 3500kg won't give you enough payload for 2 adults and older kids.
     
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  4. Lynn Downing

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    Hi many thanks for your welcome and reply, we both have driving licences after 1997...
     
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    To be honest, a small motorhome and 4 adult sized people is unlikely to work unless you put an awning up every stop (which can become a pain). Plus 4 people and 4 lots of kit usually means a 3500kg van is going to be overweight. And don't forget you will need 4 seatbelts for travelling.

    We had a chausson flash 03 when our kids were young and it worked for 2 adults and 2 children, but only just! Then we bought a Frankia A800GD, this was fine for 4 adults but was a BIG van. We have now downsized to a Globecar Campscout Revolution, which will sleep and travel 4, but we only take the kids occasionally now so put up with a compromise on space.
     
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    Would of thought something with a french bed at rear front dinnette would probably work make bed up at night kids sleep on french bed although as others said at 3.5T you have to watch weight always an option to reduce amount of water you carry 1/2 a tank rather than full at 100 kg +
     
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    Unfortunately I agree with Mel @Minxy Girl that if neither of you have a C1 licence you are going to find it very difficult to find a 3500kg MGW (maximum gross weight) motorhome that will have both the space and payload you need in order to take four of you and your possessions comfortably. Modern vans are getting lighter (some would say flimsier!), but for your budget you will probably not be able afford one.

    When looking please do not believe what a salesman (or previous owner) tells you about payload. Always insist on taking a possible purchase to a weighbridge empty before buying.
     
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    You can increase your weight with existing license by towing a trailer under 750kg in weight but this is what you wanted to get away from. Perhaps have a look at doing your 7.5 ton license.
     
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    Obvious issue highlighted already, driving licence probably restricting you to 3500kg.
    Currently we have a 4500Kg six berth we used for grandchildren, who are not so small now, a bit like your children. For licence turned 70 years reasons we are downsizing to 3500Kg and changing to a three berth we will use as mainly a two and very occasionally as three berth, as our youngest GC is 8 years.
    Due to our personal use requirements we have had issues with payload keeping to 3500kg for just two of us, we are not small, and the 75 Kg per person allowed in weight calculations is well exceeded. If you are on the smaller side weight wise you will be better placed.
    One thing you do need to check is bed length for the young adults you have. Our six berth had the two adult rear lounge berths, for us, two over cab berths, ok lengthwise but challenging width wise once the older one was 15, and a dinette two berth would be only just big enough length wise for our 8 year old for another year or so.
    Your hobbies and what you carry may also limit your payload, bearing in mind the fulcrum effect of heavy weights behind the rear axle.
    Finally, you are looking at a second hand van, watch dealers promising the original years ago out of factory payload. Owners since may well have added a variety of none standard items to that which will come off the original factory payload (solar panel, second battery, second gas bottle, external awning etc..).
    There will be something out there will suit you, best advice from me is pay the subs and get access to one of the best, if not the best, database of information on motorhoming anywhere. Dealers reviews, buying a motorhome and security online books should be invaluable to you.
    Good luck with your search.
     
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    Have the camper van and parents in Scotland and the kids in Cornwall
     
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    https://www.johnscross.co.uk/products/swift-sundance-590rs-7.html

    5 berth

    2010 Swift Sundance 590 RS Has,

    2.3L 130 BHP Turbo Diesel Engine,

    3500KG Chassis,

    25,884 Miles,

    5 Berth,

    4 Seatbelts,

    6 Speed Manual Gearbox,

    ABS,

    EBD (Electronic Brake Force Distribution),

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    Electrically Operated Mirrors,

    CD/Radio With USB Connectivity,

    Remote Central Locking To All Doors,

    Reverse Camera,

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    Over Cab Bed,

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    Peter
     
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    Going by op you are about 150% of budget , otherwise ticks all the boxes :)
     
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    and a payload off ????
     
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    Exactly my though too ... I'm surprised at JCM not putting this on as it is such an important part of any MH purchase.
     
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    There are lots of the 'traditional' type layout like the Swift Sundance 590RS as that was what most manufacturers use to make and to be is a good layout, so there won't be a shortage of them, but what the payload will be is the thing to look out for as they can vary widely depending on what's included in the figure as usually awnings etc will not be and they can weigh 30kg or more on their own.
     
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    Having to agree with many above.
    Payload (to keep legal) and space will be very important.
    We have travelled with 2 grandkids since they were born, now 13 and 11 and getting bigger and heavier every year..
    You need some space with 4 people moving about, when you go looking at vans imagine all 4 of you sat in there on a wet rainy day.. There are some 3500kg vans claiming to be "family" vans but in my view the build quality is just as lightweight, beware of the specs as they often dont include any water so that can add a lot if you wanted to go somewhere "off grid". 4 people means 4 x times the personal effects to carry..

    Dont be put off but get all the facts and choose wisely. Lots of vans out there will suit BUT I think the license issue is the main problem.
     
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    If you can get the licence sorted think about a van with bunk beds as that would give the teens some privacy :)
     
  19. MH 55 FUN

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    485kg max payload @ 3500kg according to this :

    https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/reviews/motorhome/30066-swift-sundance-590

    Probably insufficient for the o.p.'s needs i.m.o.
     
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