Calor Propane refillable connector on ebay (1 Viewer)

[golfcarmad]

Hello,
I am intrigued by the item on ebay as per my thread description, item number:
171769930688
I wondered if anyone on here had tried it?
Tks n Rgds
Paul

 

[canopus]

If you turned up on a garage forecourt with a Calor bottle you'd probably be arrested.
There is no safe way to fill that type of bottle shown on the eBay ad. Many people do fill bottles via an LPG vehicle filler and there is an internal hose is connected to their Calor bottle in the boot. Its risky and very dangerous IMO. The ad itself says the following :- Its guess work.

To fill up 20kg bottle.

• Always start on empty bottle
• Only fill to 80% capacity
• ALWAYS wear PPE.

Please research the filling procedure or phone.

No responsibility is taken for any damage or injury that occurred due to misuse.

 

[hilldweller]

Hello,
I am intrigued by the item on ebay as per my thread description, item number:
171769930688
I wondered if anyone on here had tried it?
Tks n Rgds
Paul

I N C O M I N G - this is going to be a big one.

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[JockandRita]

@golfcarmad. The subject has been flogged to death many times before on MH forums.

In my opinion, it is illegal dangerous and foolhardy.

I certainly wouldn't entertain it for one minute, and if I witnessed it being done on any forecourt I happened to be using, it would be reported with haste.

Regards,

Jock.

 

[icantremember]

Hello,
I am intrigued by the item on ebay as per my thread description, item number:
171769930688
I wondered if anyone on here had tried it?
Tks n Rgds
Paul

I think you have your answer ...
... I don't want to offend or cross Rule #1 but anyone buying one of these is a fool and anyone using one is an idiotic fool!

#DANGEROUS&ILLEGAL

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

If I saw someone using one on a forecourt I would get out of there quick

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[pappajohn]

A good idea in principle but really unsafe and stupid.
A regular refillable bottle has safeguards built in.....calories bottles don't.
It's near impossible to fill more than 80%due to the safety cut off valve....a calories bottle could be filled far in excess of 80%.
The bottle needs the 20% free space to allow for expansion and proper conversion from liquid to gas.
Calor specifically do not allow customer refilling of their bottles.
Garages do not allow refilling of non refillable bottles and IF seen attempting to do so simply won't turn on the pump.

Enter stage left, VWalan to tell us different and how often he risks life and limb !!!!!

 

[JockandRita]

Enter stage left, VWalan to tell us different and how often he risks life and limb !!!!!

 

[Kevan]

The man should be hung, or at the very least flogged, WHO.

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[Kev Dub]

The gas it system is around £200 fitted for one bottle. Just pull up at the station and fill perfectly safely. I've had this system on at least three of my vans. Well worth it in my opinion.

 

[golfcarmad]

As I have no idea whom VWalan is,I am further intrigued.
Please note I asked a question and received many answers all offering similar advice-DON'T.
So I will heed your advice and keep looking for some cheap Gas Low or similar.
Thanks again.

 

[Lenny HB]

It's due to the idiots that using them, that causes garages to ban refilling hab tanks.

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[tonka]

I N C O M I N G - this is going to be a big one.

 

[Kev Dub]

As I have no idea whom VWalan is,I am further intrigued.
Please note I asked a question and received many answers all offering similar advice-DON'T.
So I will heed your advice and keep looking for some cheap Gas Low or similar.
Thanks again.

Have a look here www.gasure.co.uk they are just outside chester and should provide you with any advice.

 

[Jim]

OK in the absence of argument....I'll start....

It might be foolhardy, and against Calor T&C's but is it illegal?
If you always start with an empty bottle and know how much to put in, and wear the right kit surely that is OK?
If it's so dangerous, how does the guy at Calor fill them up?

Your starter for 10

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[pappajohn]

VW Alan is a long standing member how spends half his life in Marocco and the other half wishing he was in Marocco.
He has had more jobs than your local job centre but is a lovable chap really.
He is an advocate of 'do it on the cheap' and his favourite pastime is refilling non refillable gas bottles and repairing his 5th wheel RV in the Maroccan desert using coconut husks, Palm leaves and discarded camels (horse)shoes.
He has a household mains fridge/freezer in his van so he doesn't need to use gas but does have gas mantle lighting so does use gas.

Come on Al, where are you ?

 

[JJ]

I used one all the time and still would if I needed to... now I have a Gaslow system.

If you know what you are doing it is easy and perfectly safe.

If you don't know what you are doing, it is fraught with danger.

So according to some on this thread, I am an idiot... anyone think I am worried about that?

JJ

 

[golfcarmad]

Thank you all for making me smile)))))))))))))))

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[tonyidle]

In case it isn't clear from this thread the likes of Gaslow and Gasit supply bottle-shaped tanks. LPG containers, whether bottles or tanks, must have room above the liquid so that it can expand as external temperature changes. If the container was full to the brim
it would fracture when the liquid expanded. So when a bottle is filled great care must be taken not to overfill. As I understand it the likes of Calor fill to a specific weight so they know when enough is enough. The containers available to us that can be legitimately refilled have a built-in float valve that shuts off the inlet when the container is 80% full. The same float is usually used to operate a gauge to indicate the level of liquid in the container.

Problems when filling are caused by the fact that when Gasit and Gaslow tanks are in use it's difficult for the average filling station attendant to differentiate bottle-shaped tanks that can be refilled from bottles which cannot (legitimately). So they err on the side of caution and refuse filling facilities if it looks like the filler hose is being connected to a bottle. Hence the usual advice to ensure that the filler point for any tank is mounted outside the gas locker. Anyone attempting to fill a bottle directly is simply confirming that their policy is correct.

 

[DangerMousy]

I was interested to see at the weekend that our local(ish) MH & Caravan dealership had Safefill bottles on sale in their shop. Looks like they claim to be safe to refill as they have an overfill prevention mechanism but the website also mentions you may have issues refilling them in some places.

They're pretty expensive though - cheaper than Alugas and Gaslow, but not much in it compared to Gasit. Main benefit over Gasit appears to be the weight. I wonder why they don't do a fixed system like the others?

 

[jezport]

OK in the absence of argument....I'll start....

It might be foolhardy, and against Calor T&C's but is it illegal?
If you always start with an empty bottle and know how much to put in, and wear the right kit surely that is OK?
If it's so dangerous, how does the guy at Calor fill them up?

Your starter for 10

I've heard of Gaslow 80% fill valves sticking, so if you don't know exactly how much capacity the cylinder has you could have an accident.

We don't find it acceptable to fit a gas system in our homes yet we are fine letting a completely untrained person fit a liquid gas system on a motorhome that if far more likely to leak due to movement and vibration. So personally I think its safer to fill a completely empty gas bottle with a 100% known capacity with a refill adapter than fill a self fitted gas system with gas that has not been professionally fitted and tested.

BTW I have a refillable gas tank fully fitted and tested by Autogas 2000. But if handed an adapter as mentioned by the original poster and a fully empty 13 kg gas bottle I am 100% sure that I could fill it safely.

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[Terry]

My two-penerth I may be wrong but as yet I have not seen any law saying you cannot refill your own bottles -- yes forecourts have been told not to let you ---so long as you start with a empty bottle it's easy ---1 kg = 2 litres so to fill a 6 kg bottle you simply put in 12 ltrs of lpg that is = to 80% full ---there is nothing to go wrong provided you use common sense-no joints/pipes no 80% cut off valve etc -simply fit the valve and away you go I know of cases where the cut off valve as not cut off and cases of pipes leaking especially first time fill ups where the cut off has not cut off and people have over filled
Having said that I now have a twin gaslow refillable system but always watch how many ltrs of fuel go in
I also have a Safefill bottle for my BBQ at home and yes I have had a problem when filling it but once I showed the attendant and owner of garage they allowed me to fill it ---the only difference between safefill and the adapter is it has a one way valve so if you forget to turn bottle off after filling it does not let the gas escape Plus you can see through the bottle
terry

 

[pappajohn]

I may be wrong but as yet I have not seen any law saying you cannot refill your own bottles

There may or may not be a legal standpoint but Calor, and I feel sure other suppliers, expressly forbid refilling their bottles in their hire T&Cs.

 

[The Wino]

I would have thought if you weighed the cylinder first and went for a 60% fill the chance of overfilling would be negligible. The real question is why calor are so expensive if they charged a more reasonable amount there wouldn't be the incentive to fill yourself.

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[pappajohn]

I would have thought if you weighed the cylinder first and went for a 60% fill the chance of overfilling would be negligible. The real question is why calor are so expensive if they charged a more reasonable amount there wouldn't be the incentive to fill yourself.

As long as there's a market willing to pay they will charge.
If EVERYONE converted to Flogas etc they would feel it in their profits and reduce the price.
But we all know that will NEVER happen.
I would put money on a great number of calor users don't even realise there are other, cheaper, suppliers.

 

[jezport]

There may or may not be a legal standpoint but Calor, and I feel sure other suppliers, expressly forbid refilling their bottles in their hire T&Cs.

If you owned Calor you would do the same and so would I, its nothing to do with them caring about safety more about profit

 

[Terry]

There may or may not be a legal standpoint but Calor, and I feel sure other suppliers, expressly forbid refilling their bottles in their hire T&Cs.

exactly why I said fill your OWN bottles
terry

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[PeteH]

I get my CO2 Welding gas cylinder refilled. (not exchanged). The operative does it by ensuring, as it is usually, that the cylinder is empty, fills it from a reservoir with Liquid CO2. whilst stood on a weigh scale. When the correct Weight is shown he stops the flow. By coincidence I had it refilled yesterday. I know of people who have been refilling "Calor" cylinders for years, one problem is that they do have a "life" before they must be certified for further use!. Co2 is a ten year cycle, indicated by the tag on the bottle neck. The MOD used to have "bottle" type cylinders Hydraulicly Tested at 10 years.

That is how I understand ALL Exchange cylinders are refilled? By weight.

Calor and other large installation Tanks including the road tankers are Surveyed every 10 years. All the data is stamped on the vessels Data plate.

 

[SIFTA SAM]

Interesting video?

http://www.elgas.com.au/blog/365-busting-media-mythology-lpg-gas-bottles

 

[mitzimad]

even a bottle thats filled to the limit is unlikley to explode as there is a safety release valve built in but the expelled gas could cause problems in a confined space like a motor home which is why most bottles are store externally other than m,otrhomes and boats where ventilated compartments help
theres a very small window of flamability with propane roughly between 2 and ten per cent any less or more and it will not explode or even ignite

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