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[Paul and Pippa]

Not purchased MH yet but I have a C1 licence, what weight am I legally allowed to drive, going full time touring so what's the minimum payload should I aim for ..Kind regards Paul..as you can see, I'm newbie

 

[Mr Chrysalis]

There’s some good advice here:
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/portal/motorhome-payload/

According to Gov.uk website

https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories

Your licence entitlement is:

Category C1
You can drive vehicles between 3,500 and 7,500kg MAM (with a trailer up to 750kg).

Category C1E
You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg.

The combined MAM of both can’t exceed 12,000kg.


Assuming you have a car licence too:

Category B - if you passed your test before 1 January 1997
You’re usually allowed to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8,250kg maximum authorised mass (MAM). View your driving licence information to check.

You’re also allowed to drive a minibus with a trailer over 750kg MAM.

Category B - if you passed your test on or after 1 January 1997
You can drive vehicles up to 3,500kg MAM with up to 8 passenger seats (with a trailer up to 750kg).

You can also tow heavier trailers if the total MAM of the vehicle and trailer isn’t more than 3,500kg.

You can drive motor tricycles with a power output higher than 15kW if you are over 21 years old.

 

[pappajohn]

If its a pre 1997 car test pass you can drive up to 7500kg plus a trailer up to 750kg if it's C1+E category with endorsement 107 (not for hire or reward) .
If you took the C1 test after 1997 but before 2013 i believe the limits are the same but without the 107 restriction but needs verifying.
After 2013 you can drive up to 7500kg plus a 4500kg trailer.

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[pappajohn]

The combined MAM of both can’t exceed 12,000kg.

Not quite correct, that applies to post 2013 test only.
Before 2013 the max train weight (MGCW) is 8250kg

 

[Mr Chrysalis]

Not quite correct, that applies to post 2013 test only.
Before 2013 the max train weight (GCMW) is 8250kg

Interesting, I copied it directly from the Gov.uk website!

 

[pappajohn]

Full timing payload...... As much as you can get.

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[tacr2man]

This is where it gets tricky , with payload you want the most you can get , with a layout that suits . The difficult part is balancing what the weight is against the MAM whilst taking into account what items are already fitted that you think you need. What extras on top of that and how many you are and what "personal effect" each one of you needs .

 

[pappajohn]

Interesting, I copied it directly from the Gov.uk website!

Agreed, but the gov website is updated to account for the new, post 2013, category.

A search for Pre 1997 C1 licence will show what it used to be.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives....g/WhatCanYouDriveAndYourObligations/DG_180694

 

[Paul and Pippa]

This is where it gets tricky , with payload you want the most you can get , with a layout that suits . The difficult part is balancing what the weight is against the MAM whilst taking into account what items are already fitted that you think you need. What extras on top of that and how many you are and what "personal effect" each one of you needs .

in no particular order ..golf clubs, 2 small dogs, winter and summer clothes, food , water, ...oh and wife lol...joking aside would I be wise to weigh MH before purchase because of any extra's already fitted ..thanks for your reply

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[Mr Chrysalis]

Not quite correct, that applies to post 2013 test only.
Before 2013 the max train weight (MGCW) is 8250kg

@pappajohn Im not being argumentactive, but you prompted me to check the website again. This one

https://www.gov.uk/old-driving-licence-categories

Shows that a C1 licence issued 1976 to 1990 allows 8250kg combined weight ( it would not have been C1 when issued)
Licences issues from 1990 to 1996 might give you 8250kg or 12000kg depending on whether you have code 107.
Licences issued 1997 to 2012 give you 12000kg

Mine was issued in 1970 but says 1975 on it, and my C1 has the 107 code, so my combined limit is 8250kg.

Do you agree with my interpretation of this

 

[pappajohn]

Licences issues from 1990 to 1996 might give you 8250kg or 12000kg depending on whether you have code 107.

I think that may be two options.
Grandfather rights.. No test taken.. 8250kg
C1 test taken..... 12000kg

But I have never seen or heard of that

 

[tacr2man]

definitely weigh the MoHo , and note what items can be ticked off your must have list , also note number of hab batteries, any solar panels , levels in fuel tank , gas bottles or tank level. level in fresh tank , or any other liquids as 1 litre is a kg ( approx) . Spare or not ?
This will allow true on road weight , to be calculated and give you a true payload.

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[Paul and Pippa]

definitely weigh the MoHo , and note what items can be ticked off your must have list , also note number of hab batteries, any solar panels , levels in fuel tank , gas bottles or tank level. level in fresh tank , or any other liquids as 1 litre is a kg ( approx) . Spare or not ?
This will allow true on road weight , to be calculated and give you a true payload.

Thank you

 

[Paul and Pippa]

Thank you

....omg never thought about fuel levels..I've a lot to learn and only got a few months...

 

[tacr2man]

@Ellie example of good payload
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/2001-hymer-b644-garage-model-£21-000.176325/

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[pappajohn]

Yep... Just had a look and one is with a 107 restriction... Which is for those who never took a C1 test (grandfather rights)
(107 - not more than 8,250 kilograms

And the other is without the 107 restriction for those who physically took a C1 test with the need for a heavier trailer.

 

[Paul and Pippa]

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@Ellie example of good payload
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/2001-hymer-b644-garage-model-£21-000.176325/

wow that's what you call a MoHo..

 

[Mr Chrysalis]

Yep... Just had a look and one is with a 107 restriction... Which is for those who never took a C1 test (grandfather rights)
(107 - not more than 8,250 kilograms

And the other is without the 107 restriction for those who physically took a C1 test with the need for a heavier trailer.

That makes sense

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[Jimbohorlicks]

Just be aware of the maximum weights for any van your looking at.your C1 Does not cover driving a van with an excess payload.

 

[pappajohn]

That makes sense

Far too many unnecessary category changes with no real reason other than its DVLA.

The really stupid thing is one lower category can cancel a higher one.
A B+E (car) licence allows up to 3500kg but there is NO trailer weight limit.
Take a 7000kg MITSUBISHI canter and downrate it to 3500kg then tow a 7000kg (theoretical) trailer.......on a car licence.
Downrating still retains the original train weight.

 

[Lenny HB]

Payload for full-time an absolute minimum of 1000kg a few hundred more would be better.

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