Brochure - Weight Values (1 Viewer)

Ashypants

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Morning,

In the picture below the 707 has two weight readings for MTPLM and Unladen. We have found a 707 that is registered as 3060 (3650) and are looking at downrating to 3500 - we will be getting a weighbridge cert etc first to get an idea of Payload impact; but I’m attempting to understand the differences in the picture.

Are there 2 values because there is actually extra weight on the 3650 or is it just from how they have worked out the MTPLM and Unladen weights. I’m not asking if it’s enough payload etc just why they are/could be different.

Thanks,

Ash
 

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It might be an option to uprate when ordering. Sometimes a no cost option.
 
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Could it be that there's an option with a larger engine, which is heavier, and needs to be plated at the higher weight?

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There is a notes section with letter codes, perhaps on the document this is explained, but not on the photo.

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My thoughts are that the engine options, two listed, and perhaps an auto gearbox option would change the unladen weights. They are just quoting the range of weights, depending on which option is chosen.

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Its probably down to changes in the vehicle that are required for the higher load rating version , eg larger suspension components bigger wheels and tyres etc etc
or as mentioned by @Clarky

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Looks clear enough to me, if you have the uprated chassis it weighs a bit more. Could be a number of reasons, bigger wheels & tyres, extended chassis rails under the garage etc.
If you downplate to 3500kg you will only have 440kg payload less any manufacturer & dealer fitted options. So you really may only have 200 - 300kg of payload which would make the van unuseable.
 
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Looks clear enough to me, if you have the uprated chassis it weighs a bit more. Could be a number of reasons, bigger wheels & tyres, extended chassis rails under the garage etc.
If you downplate to 3500kg you will only have 440kg payload less any manufacturer & dealer fitted options. So you really may only have 200 - 300kg of payload which would make the van unuseable.

Thanks that was my original view - would an updated chassis be an option listed in the brochure?? I’ve been through it and can’t find any reference to an upgrade; which is kind of what is causing my confusion and questioning of whether it is just a calculation exercise or is it actually related to physical weight.

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Thanks that was my original view - would an updated chassis be an option listed in the brochure?? I’ve been through it and can’t find any reference to an upgrade; which is kind of what is causing my confusion and questioning of whether it is just a calculation exercise or is it actually related to physical weight.
It will be the actual weight +/-5%. That is something else you need to be aware of there is a 5% tolerance on weight and most manufacurers come out towards the top end. The only ones I know of that don't are Hymer they are nearly always spot on or under. So if the van you are looking at is 4% over you lose another 122kg of payload. It realy is a mindfield if you don't fully understand all the implications. If there are only two of you best to look at vans with a 600kg payload that is normally workable for 2.

It does depend on the spec of the van our first Hymer had a low payload but it was a special edition that had most of the extras you would normally add included so it was workable. By contrast the next one had 580kg and we ended up upgrading to 3850kg.

The upgrade option will only be on the price list, most manufacturers do it that way.
 
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My understanding is the option is because that vehicle, like some Autotrails is built on the Medium Fiat chassis.
It can be registered at 3500kg to keep within the new license requirements but also has a free upgrade option to be given 3650kg, allowing a little more payload for those who can still drive on the older license.

Taking the van down to 3500 will not change the unladen weight, the van weighs what it weighs.. There may have been additional components ie larger tyres fitted to allow it to be the higher weight.

Also be very wary of how they have come to that lower figure, many now do not include any water, gas bottles etc.. So once you start adding those plus people plus personal items plus any accessories and it's easy to go over that max 3500kg figure..
 
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My understanding is the option is because that vehicle, like some Autotrails is built on the Medium Fiat chassis.
It can be registered at 3500kg to keep within the new license requirements but also has a free upgrade option to be given 3650kg, allowing a little more payload for those who can still drive on the older license.

Taking the van down to 3500 will not change the unladen weight, the van weighs what it weighs.. There may have been additional components ie larger tyres fitted to allow it to be the higher weight.
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The figures posted tells you that the 3650 version weight 65kg more.

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It's very easy.....
There are two gross weight options...3500kg & 3650kg

The unladen weight of the 3500kg is 2995kg leaving a payload of 505kg

The unladen weight of the 3650kg is 3060kg leaving a payload of 590kg

This is assuming no factory fitted extras and accurate (doubtful) factory figures to start with as there will always be some weight discrepancies.
No idea why the 3650kg version should have an extra 65kg unladen weight unless it has air suspension and/or heavier tyres.
 
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It's very easy.....
There are two gross weight options...3500kg & 3650kg

The unladen weight of the 3500kg is 2995kg leaving a payload of 505kg

The unladen weight of the 3650kg is 3060kg leaving a payload of 590kg

This is assuming no factory fitted extras and accurate (doubtful) factory figures to start with as there will always be some weight discrepancies.
No idea why the 3650kg version should have an extra 65kg unladen weight unless it has air suspension and/or heavier tyres.
Excellent and understandable explanation..................................................... which i agree with
 
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It's very easy.....
There are two gross weight options...3500kg & 3650kg

The unladen weight of the 3500kg is 2995kg leaving a payload of 505kg

The unladen weight of the 3650kg is 3060kg leaving a payload of 590kg

This is assuming no factory fitted extras and accurate (doubtful) factory figures to start with as there will always be some weight discrepancies.
No idea why the 3650kg version should have an extra 65kg unladen weight unless it has air suspension and/or heavier tyres.

Thanks - that’s the question I guess I’m asking - why does the 3650kg version have an extra 65kg.....anyways we are getting it put on a weighbridge - Driver + Full Tank of fuel + full water + Gas to then see what we have left.

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Interesting as I thought the lightweight chassis could go to 3850 kg without any mechanical upgrade and just a paper exercise .

My new 3500 kg on the same chassis is plated at 3500 gvw and max 1850 front and 2000 rear axles but stays the same mtw so reduces towing allowance .

Why it should have a 65 kg difference miro is strange as I thought it was just a paper excises with the DVLA . No cost option by most manufacturers ?
 
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So it’s been on the Weighbridge and with Driver, Gas, Full water and 1/2 fuel it comes in at 3140kg...leaving 360kg for the Mrs and Little one and rest of bits and bobs. Hmm.

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Just about doable if you don't run with full water, might be pushing it if you take bikes.
Need to ask what extras are you likely to add to it, TV, 2nd battery etc., and little one will get bigger if you don't take bikes not you will probably want them in a couple of years time.
I still think it's too tight for comfort.
 
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I am in the truck industry so have a bit of an understanding of “weights”
Firstly you can downplate a 3650 gvm to 3500 gvm using a VTG10 form
Cost involved
(Remember a 3650 vehicle is an HGV as far as VOSA are concerned) and they reserve the right to view the vehicle for a vtg10, but in 20 years i have never actually had to do so
Secondly, the Unladen (TARE) weight is the weight,that doesnt vary, it is what it is with no one and nothing in,just the lubricants for the engine

Mass in running order, is effectively a guess/guide and each manuf. seems to do it differently

Only sure weigh is to weigh it when in touring trim, as axle weights come into play when you liad it differently

As far as i am aware, a 3650 Roller Team is physically the same as a 3500, nowt is upgraded under the skin, but if someone knows better......
 
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So it’s been on the Weighbridge and with Driver, Gas, Full water and 1/2 fuel it comes in at 3140kg...leaving 360kg for the Mrs and Little one and rest of bits and bobs. Hmm.
Another person joining the Naturist section of motorhomefun
Please change motorhomefun name to Ashynopants
 
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