just ordered a bottel jack from here Bottle Jack 5 Tonne - Screwfix.com, Where the Trade Buys What a bargain one thinks. Needed one when skiing and could not get on the ramps to level up, a french guy came over, jacked me up with his, we put the ramps underneath and bobs your uncle.; Also less space required to carry a jack should you need to do a wheel change and far easier than using a scissor jack. They do have some 50 ton ones as well for you big boys. Jim, how about a seperate forum for bargains that people see?