Best Scooter/And Rack

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  1. Marshall Blair

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    We are going to buy a Scooter and a rack for our Bailey 625 therefore any advice on type of Scooter and rack would be welcomed.
    I am restricted to 50cc will a 50cc carry 2 adults (150kilos) also what type of Scooter Rack is best.
    Have spoke to Dealers but what I receive is the big sell and No test Drive
    any help will be kindly appreciated.
    Marshall Blair
     
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    Marshall, welcome to the club for starters.

    Your van has a manufacturers stated payload of 505kg if it's registered at 3,500kg.

    If you've got a TV, aerial, awning etc then that will come off your payload too. If you add to this one passenger, your kit and a bit of water then you'll soon find that an additional scooter and its mount will push you well over your legal permissible weight.

    You need to make certain that you have sufficient payload available first before you start buying scooters.

    All the best,

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    Agree with Blue Knight. But, you need to do the sums first to confirm, as follows:

    1) Advise total mass of vehicle, probably 3500Kg
    2) Maximum permissible load on rear axle (see VIN plate)
    2) Wheelbase dimension
    3) Overhang distance from rear axle to rear of vehicle + say, 300mm for rack
    4) Weight of 50cc scooter, probably around 80Kg
    5) Weight of rack, probably around 40 to 50Kg
    6) Current weight of vehicle fully loaded with driver and passengers
    7) Current rear axle weight fully loaded with driver and passengers

    Based on a few assumptions the extra weight on the rear axle will be in the region of about 200Kg.
     
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    As above, you need to go on a weighbridge when you are loaded for a trip and check your weight.
    Especially the rear axle. 100kg added to the back can mean up to 150kg on the axle due to leverage.
    Some of these motorhomes look like big vehicles BUT in reality can carry very little above their build weight.
    The 625 does not look to have to long a rear overhand so it may be possible but needs checking before you splash the cash..
    I agree ref 2 up on a 50cc, going to be very slow and in some cases could be a liability not being able to speed up when needed.
     
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    trailer would probably give a better end result , or one of these which don't act like a trailer when maneuvering and add very little weight and gives bigger scooter option eg 300+cc approx
    http://www.easylifter.co.uk/hydra-trail.htm
     
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    Firstly - as above, a 50cc bike is OK for one for just popping to the shops etc. but two up would be a real problem for it as the bike would weigh about 100Kg and the two of you would probably total about 150Kg ( no insult intended if you are lighter) yes not going to go very well.
    second - The load on the back axle would need to be calculated carefully (there is a calculation equation on FUN somewhere I think) this will surprise you how little makes a large difference to the load.
    Check these out before you spend any money.
    good luck, hope you can work out a solution, I ended up with a hydro trail solution to put a 400cc bike on.
     
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    Does your van even have a chassis at the back to fix a rack to, you wouldn't be the first to find that after the back axle is just floor and nothing to bolt to, they have to save weight wherever they can to build 3500kg vans.

    Martin
     
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    We have Bailey 625 and considered good electric bikes. If we want to go further afield we get a bus or move area
     
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    I think you need at least 125cc to take two, unless you don't mind waking up hills.
    I'd suggest not bothering: use public transport, or hire a taxi when needed, with the money you save.
     
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    Been there and done it with the 50cc they are useless with 2 people

    CBT is cheap and easy to pass

    Otherwise I'd save the hassle of fitting tow bar and rack etc
     
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    I assume that you are restricted to 50cc because you do not have a full bike licence. In that case anything you ride will also be limited to 30mph anyway.
     
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    2 people on a 50cc scooter will be like having a moving chicane for others on the road. Think I go bigger scooter or taxi
     
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    I no longer consider any 2 wheeled motorized vehicle that can't travel at the same speed or faster than the traffic on the same road that you are travelling on to be safe. This is based on my own experience. We have just upgraded to a Honda SH 300, this is after 20 years of using a Honda Bali 101cc. cruising 45mph 50 flat out. One of the main reasons is that 40tonne lorries can travel at 56mph and understandably they need to get on and sometimes they come to close for comfort, not only that the bow wave nearly blows you of the road. I am not anti bike, in fact quite the opposite as I still have 3
     
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    1987 Yamaha DT50 MX For Sale - these have 7HP and weigh 82 Kg a much better proposition.


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    waking up hills should, of course, have been walking up hills,
    or
    waking up hills could have been waking up at hills.
     
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    Piaggio 3 wheeler on car licence?
     
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    Yes, the 300cc version, plus a trailer. But all that dosh would buy a lot of taxi fares, and save the hassle of extra insurance and storage of trailer.
     
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    That's a very good point Martin. I reckon that a few people come unstuck by assuming they have a chassis at the rear.

    Cheers,

    Andrew
     
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    I think the towing bracketry on my last vehicle weighed 70kg because of that.
     
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