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[Dilbert]

So do britstops have the exemption or the pub?

 

[irnbru]

So do britstops have the exemption or the pub?

I would guess each pub that is a member of Britstops will have their own exemption. It is just a guess though.

 

[CWH]

So do britstops have the exemption or the pub?

As I understand it, BritStops is able to grant the licence in the same way that CCC, CMC & MHF can. I may be seeing it in too simplistic a way.
@BritStops - a definitive explanation would be welcome please???

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[Bobby22]

I think the britstops have an exemption up to 5 vans. Could be wrong though.

Britstops are only 'allowed' one van to overnight for a maximum of 2 nights. And only allowed this to happen for 28 days in any 12 months.

Edit https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/brit-stops.60448/page-2

 

[Dilbert]

Carrying on with thoughts about britstops in theory a motorhomer could Bung the landlord a brown envelope and stay there week or two!!

 

[Bobby22]

Carrying on with thoughts about britstops in theory a motorhomer could Bung the landlord a brown envelope and stay there week or two!!

I think he might prefer a few quid........no use for envelopes no matter what colour.

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[Wildbill]

Britstops are only 'allowed' one van to overnight for a maximum of 2 nights. And only allowed this to happen for 28 days in any 12 months.

Edit https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/brit-stops.60448/page-2

Are Brit stops a club then with a fully constatuted committee just wondering
Bill

 

[Bobby22]

Are Brit stops a club then with a fully constatuted committee just wondering
Bill

No.

 

[Dilbert]

I think he might prefer a few quid........no use for envelopes no matter what colour.

landlords aren't as posh as politicians then!

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[Wildbill]

I would guess each pub that is a member of Britstops will have their own exemption. It is just a guess though.

This is the criteria for a exemption certificate
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/camping...-certificates-know-the-rules-and-how-to-apply

 

[Bobby22]

This is the criteria for a exemption certificate
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/camping...-certificates-know-the-rules-and-how-to-apply

Edit
I think MotorhomeFun have a paragraph 4 ,5 and 6 exemptions

 

[Jim]

Can I just clarify what the law is on wild camping meets/gatherings etc Is it legal for a pub to just allow 29 vans or so to stop on their premises overnight. Isn't special insurance needed?


@Jim

I'm not sure about the legalities. I guess that if the group did not have a rallying exemption from Natural England then the council might have something to say about it. Only itinerants seem to get away with rallying without permission, as far as I know a club needs to be exempted from the act that @GJH mentions on his site if they want to gather anywhere that is not a licensed caravan site.

This chap will probably give you a definitive answer, he is in charge of exemptions in Scotland.

The Scottish Government
Directorate of housing
Regeneration and welfare
Housing options and policy unit
Area 1H South
Victoria Quay
Edinburgh
EH6 6QQ

Telephone: 0131 244 5566

Email: ged.millar@scotland.gsi.gov.uk

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[buttons]

If there was a fire in one of the vans that was parked too close to the other vans then I'm sure the rules would soon become clear for all to see at the first insurance claim..

 

[ShiftZZ]

Illegal or Unlawful?

 

[Chris]

Illegal or Unlawful?

Unlawful I would say

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[irnbru]

If there was a fire in one of the vans that was parked too close to the other vans then I'm sure the rules would soon become clear for all to see at the first insurance claim..

Can you see 29 vans arriving and fitting in here. A crammed French aire maybe.

A fire here would be unthinkable.

 

[irnbru]

Illegal or Unlawful?

Both I would say.

 

[Chris]

Both I would say.

It can't be illegal.

Illegal is a very big sick bird

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[ShiftZZ]

Indeed, there has to be care that we don't get confused between both

 

[Wildbill]

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Can you see 29 vans arriving and fitting in here. A crammed French aire maybe.

A fire here would be unthinkable.

Have you had your drone out Sandra?

 

[andy63]

Have you had your drone out Sandra?

touchy subject is that bill

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[Deleted member 29692]

I would guess each pub that is a member of Britstops will have their own exemption. It is just a guess though.

No, it's a different situation.

Britstops is not a club that organises groups of members to turn up mob handed.

It's a directory of locations that will let motorhomes park overnight. Nothing more. It specifically makes clear that the locations are not campsites or any kind of CL type thing.

Here's the current list of organisations that can grant exemptions:

 

[Puddleduck]

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Can you see 29 vans arriving and fitting in here. A crammed French aire maybe.

A fire here would be unthinkable.

eeeeekkkkkkkk....... I would take one look and move on.

 

[Scout]

would it make a differance if the had A frames

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[GJH]

Having just updated my web site I was alerted to the fact that I was tagged in this thread so visited, after some time away, to have a look.
I realise that the thread is some months old, and I think all the correct answers have probably been given. There are, though, some posts which make the wrong assumptions or contain inaccurate information.
The situation is as follows:

Any pub allowing camping on their premises by 29 vans must have either a caravan site licence or the event must be one organised by a club using an exemption under paragraph 6 or 4 of the First Schedule to the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960.

If the event was organised through a Facebook group it would only be legal if the group was part of an exempted organisation and the event was a properly constituted rally by that organisation.

Camping does not have to be "obvious" or cause a disturbance. The 1960 Act defines a “caravan site” as "land on which a caravan is stationed for the purposes of human habitation and land which is used in conjunction with land on which a caravan is so stationed.". Thus camping in a caravan (including a motorhome) is not legal unless the land in question is licensed or the occupier (pub landlord in this case) can claim the benefit of an exemption defined in the Act.

The fact that an occupier of land is a member of Britstops makes no difference. Britstops is not on the list of Organisations exempted under the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 as of 3rd May
2018 so can not issue exemption certificates to 5 van sites and can not organise events using the exemptions in paragraph 6 and 4. The restrictions in the paragraph 2 exemption apply just as much to Britstops hosts as to anyone else.

The insurance aspect is open to question and would depend on the cover provided by the policy/policies held by the pub. However, if the cover only extends to the normal activities involved in running a pub (as opposed to running a caravan site) then allowing motorhome owners to camp without a license or exemption might well be outside the scope of the public liability insurance held by the business.

I noticed that there is also a separate thread about The Crown Inn, Cholderton, which mentions two motorhomes camping overnight. As that is a clear breach of the paragraph 2 exemption it appears that it was an unlicensed caravan site on the night in question.

 

[Greenway]

Welcome back @GJH. If you're going to come back come back with a good'n
Seriously, I hope it not a one off.

 

[Gellyneck]

Seriously, I hope it not a one off.

Agreed. @GJH

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[irnbru]

Welcome back @GJH Your input has been missed.

 

[CWH]

As I understand it, BritStops is able to grant the licence in the same way that CCC, CMC & MHF can. I may be seeing it in too simplistic a way.
@BritStops - a definitive explanation would be welcome please???

@Teuchter please note that as others have pointed out I was wrong.

 

[JockandRita]

@GJH. Nice one Graham. It's good to see you back.

Please pass on our very best to Jill, from Rita and I.

Cheers,

Jock.

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