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the answer is to give the police greater powers to move illegal travellers on to traveller sites (that all councils presumably have to provide) not penalise genuine motorhome users.
There are actually two related problems.Roger, the problem isn't just travellers as such.
It is genuine motorhome users, but freeloading ones who want something for nothing with local council tax payers ( like me) paying for cleaning up the mess of rubbish, grey and black water dumping.
Rather than being anything into the area in terms of income, they put spenders off visiting.
Roger, the problem isn't just travellers as such.
It is genuine motorhome users, but freeloading ones who want something for nothing with local council tax payers ( like me) paying for cleaning up the mess of rubbish, grey and black water dumping.
Rather than being anything into the area in terms of income, they put spenders off visiting.
Rodger. The council are not required to provide traveller sites. This was the case in the 1960s then it was removed it was later replaced 1980s and then removed again. There are authorities with none or only one or two pitches. Councils do not provide sites for itinerant travellers, they want to settle the traveller population into sites and remove their lifestyle. This has been made worse by travellers from the Irish Republic and the continent adding to the indigenous itinerant population roaming the UK.the answer is to give the police greater powers to move illegal travellers on to traveller sites (that all councils presumably have to provide) not penalise genuine motorhome users.
Not quite so John.Rodger. The council are not required to provide traveller sites. This was the case in the 1960s then it was removed it was later replaced 1980s and then removed again. There are authorities with none or only one or two pitches. Councils do not provide sites for itinerant travellers, they want to settle the traveller population into sites and remove their lifestyle. This has been made worse by travellers from the Irish Republic and the continent adding to the indigenous itinerant population roaming the UK.
Another point is that a large number of those invading property, have fixed sites or even houses so are not really itinerant. They are tourists, but claim to have the right to follow the old ways.
John I could say exactly the same about all of the tourist who flood into the west country every year making our water rates etc the highest in the country. I pay top dollar here tourist don't, hence I pay my way and am NOT A BLOODY FREELOADER I have always wild parked and never been irresponsible about black or grey waste let alone rubbish. I do find the constant belittling of wilders such as myself to be a little wearing. I do not want to park surrounded by screaming kids on a site or have to put up with blaring Metalica (good luck to those who do). How I motorhome is my choice. Please don't keep knocking it, I don't knock the way you choose to use your MH.Roger, the problem isn't just travellers as such.
It is genuine motorhome users, but freeloading ones who want something for nothing with local council tax payers ( like me) paying for cleaning up the mess of rubbish, grey and black water dumping.
Rather than being anything into the area in terms of income, they put spenders off visiting.
Not narrow minded or feckless. This is a direct result of traveller incursions in the last two years which forced closure of the car parks and have cost the taxpayers of East Lindsey council money to resolve - money which could have been spent on real services. In addition, problems were caused for both residents and visitors.
As mentioned in Broken Link Removed, this morning, there are half a dozen car/coach parks in East Lindsay district (including one in Skegness) where motorhomes may be parked, in addition to on street parking.
the answer is to give the police greater powers to move illegal travellers on to traveller sites (that all councils presumably have to provide) not penalise genuine motorhome users.
Not the easy way out, the practical way out. The way that works in the overall public interest - which spending a lot of money to provide facilities for a few does not often achieve.So crack down on the culprits don't take the easy way out like they always do.
You must have missed my earlier post (#5 above) and link to the other thread on this subject, Alan. Motorhomes can be parked in Richmond Drive coach park, Skegness for £7.00 a day. See the Interactive Map (tick the Motorhome box).The out of town car parks are a different entity they've been abused by a few motorhomers and barriers were put up and overnightparking stopped, this is now being enforced by a security company and barriers.
Town car parks have allways been pay and lots of motorhomes park up for the day contributing to East Lindsey's coffers, saying that they can park on streets is a load of rubbish,most of the streets are limited to 30 mins and in the season you'd have a struggle to park a mini.The only Parking I can think of that is easy to park for a motorhome is tescos 3 hours and lidl 1 :1/2 hours, I believe the bus station is £15 a day but I would have to check on that View attachment 58077
This, and similar incidents, is the reason ELDC has acted as it has. To do otherwise would put too high a burden on the local taxpayers, businesses and other visitors.Spent a week at North Shore caravan site last August and cycled in to watch the bowls finals every day . We had the misfortune to witness a large group of campers taking over the carpark at the end of the prom all with newish motorhomes and many with Irish accents , there were children running amok , rubbish everywhere , loud music , toilet tanks emptied in the bushes and they hadn,t even paid the parking charge . We witnessed the ejection and clean up by the council and the erection of barriers and private security staff all paid by the council.
It must be very difficult for local residents to differentiate between responsible motorhomers and these freeloading SCUM
John I could say exactly the same about all of the tourist who flood into the west country every year making our water rates etc the highest in the country. I pay top dollar here tourist don't, hence I pay my way and am NOT A BLOODY FREELOADER I have always wild parked and never been irresponsible about black or grey waste let alone rubbish. I do find the constant belittling of wilders such as myself to be a little wearing. I do not want to park surrounded by screaming kids on a site or have to put up with blaring Metalica (good luck to those who do). How I motorhome is my choice. Please don't keep knocking it, I don't knock the way you choose to use your MH.
Sorry about that, yes I had missed your post on bus park and that certainly is'nt to expensive for a days parking.You must have missed my earlier post (#5 above) and link to the other thread on this subject, Alan. Motorhomes can be parked in Richmond Drive coach park, Skegness for £7.00 a day. See the Interactive Map (tick the Motorhome box).
Thanks for that Graham.Not quite so John.
Housing Act 2004 S225(1) - Every local housing authority must, when undertaking a review of housing needs in their district under section 8 of the Housing Act 1985 (c. 68), carry out an assessment of the accommodation needs of gypsies and travellers residing in or resorting to their district.
Together with Planning Circular 01/2006, Planning for Gypsy and Traveller Caravan Sites (since updated by the ‘National Planning Policy Framework’ in 2012), the 2004 Act put in place a framework which means every local authority has to identify land for the sites that are needed in its area.
Some sites are residential only but some include transit facilities as well (e.g. Redcar & Cleveland).
Roger, the problem isn't just travellers as such.
It is genuine motorhome users, but freeloading ones who want something for nothing with local council tax payers ( like me) paying for cleaning up the mess of rubbish, grey and black water dumping.
Rather than being anything into the area in terms of income, they put spenders off visiting.
John, what you are saying isn't fair, not all visitors in motorhomes are anti-social....not all visitors in motorhomes don't spend.
Visitors in cars, bikes buses and taxi's could also bring everything they need for their visit.
We visited last year in our motorhome, we enjoyed waffles, tea and coffee a visit to the bookies (while shmbo visited local shops) and fish and chips, not to mention an ice cold one.
I did appreciate being able to park close to these amenities and might visit again...................in contrast i visited Blackpool and couldn't get a space anywhere near any attractions so i went along the coast to St Annes where i was more welcome.
Do coaches and buses get excluded............they bring in more anti social visitors than anything else???????
Turning an amenity into a ad hit hole at someone else's expense is.
I totally agree that long term wilding in the same place is unacceptable and that inappropriate stays & rubbish dumping should be stamped out through police enforcement...Roger, the problem isn't just travellers as such.
It is genuine motorhome users, but freeloading ones who want something for nothing with local council tax payers ( like me) paying for cleaning up the mess of rubbish, grey and black water dumping.
Rather than being anything into the area in terms of income, they put spenders off visiting.
Sounds like the local town council have two choicesBobby22,
I agree, but that's the way of things.
One of those issues that goes around in circles.