Badly rusted rear wing on 08 Ducato (1 Viewer)

[Dionysius]

Went to look at a van at a dealers yesterday.

Was on a 08 Ducato LWB 50,000 miles The seam between the drivers side rear wing and top of the sill was completely eaten through with rust.

I could waggle both panels quite a bit (actually surprisingly thin metal) as the weld/seam had completely separated.

Obviously we walked after wed had a nose inside - noticed a lot of surface rust on front seat turntable plates and hints if rust on edges of front wheelarch lips.

Also some thick black underseal in rear wheelarches (not especially new) which sounded a bit dead in places when i tapped it (lifting off the chassis or rust underneath?)

Now I thought these X250 vans were galvanised so shouldnt rust so was pretty surprised to see this.

Especially as they were asking £28,000 for it !!!

Is this an isolated poor vehicle ?

Has anyone else seen/had corrosion issues in this area or any others ? Are these vans generally OK for corrosion or are the early ones starting to go the way of the previous shape which were terrible rot boxes ?

Having been and looked at a few panel van conversions about 07/08 plates not that impressed with the quality/condition of the vans on offer at these prices.

An unconverted van of this age would probably be about £3000 so about a tenth of the price of the converted vans are retailing at.

 

[Guigsy]

My 2007 had rust along the bottom rocker below the driver's door. Started to bubble on the black underbody painted area. Cost me about £800 to get it fixed.

 

[Lenny HB]

X250's are galvanised, that rust has started at the spot welds where the sill is joined. Even with a galvanised vehicle that will happen to some extent, it is a 14 year old vehicle. The manufacturers didn't design them to last that long so it's not doing too bad.

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[donkey]

It may have been kept near the sea. When we lived on the coast everything corroded at an alarming rate.

Geoff

 

[Basildog]

X250's are galvanised, that rust has started at the spot welds where the sill is joined. Even with a galvanised vehicle that will happen to some extent, it is a 14 year old vehicle. The manufacturers didn't design them to last that long so it's not doing too bad.

Personally these days I wouldn’t contemplate buying a vehicle over 5 years old ,
I can’t believe the crazy prices people are prepared to pay for old vans .

 

[Lenny HB]

It may have been kept near the sea. When we lived on the coast everything corroded at an alarming rate.

Geoff

We live 200 yds from the sea and find modern vehicles don't rust, my Kia I've had from new, 10 years old not a spot of rust on it. Motorhome 5 years old that's fine as well.

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[Northernraider]

Personally these days I wouldn’t contemplate buying a vehicle over 5 years old ,
I can’t believe the crazy prices people are prepared to pay for old vans .

Personally I wouldn't buy one newer than 10 years old . The build quality is diabolical

 

[Northernraider]

We live 200 yds from the sea and find modern vehicles don't rust, my Kia I've had from new, 10 years old not a spot of rust on it. Motorhome 5 years old that's fine as well.

It all depends how they've been looked after.

 

[Basildog]

We live 200 yds from the sea and find modern vehicles don't rust, my Kia I've had from new, 10 years old not a spot of rust on it. Motorhome 5 years old that's fine as well.

We can normally tell when we see a vehicle from near the sea to be honest, some of them although fairly new are extremely badly corroded.
The shed as I call it ( our 11 year old Fiat Doblo thing that I have hated with a passion from the day I bought it to do a job , it’s been abused and neglected and left to rot on occasion but the thing just keeps going ( painfully underpowered and gruesome to drive ) it’s on loan to the daughter this week as her much newer car is sick

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[Lenny HB]

It all depends how they've been looked after.

Car gets washed once or twice a year if it's really lucky, Motorhome is well looked after, washed, polished & waxed regularly.

 

[bigwood]

Our N Reg Transit had spent the majority of its life on the Isle of White before we bought it. As per Fords of that age it was starting to rust by the time we bought it but after another two years it was like a sieve.
The body shop that repaired it said it was the worst they had seen for a long while.

 

[ontheroadagain]

Perhaps it has been damaged and repaired at some point.

Edit - looking at it again the bottom section doesn’t line up with the wheel arch so mostly likely it has been (badly) repaired.

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[Guigsy]

Personally I wouldn't buy one newer than 10 years old . The build quality is diabolical

People have been staying that for much more than 10 years.

 

[TinaLes]

I am told The Merc Sprinters are even worse for rotting, which being German did surprise me at first, but then again they are vans, so I guess 5 years of commercial use and they have well paid for themselves.
Then to be sold on to Van Lifers for conversion maybe.
LES

 

[Northernraider]

People have been staying that for much more than 10 years.

I know

The newest I've had was 14 years old . But even that wasn't great

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[Ianb]

My ducato Globescout 2011 is starting to rust on this seam. I’ve seen it on a few vans of this age.

Went to look at a van at a dealers yesterday.

Was on a 08 Ducato LWB 50,000 miles The seam between the drivers side rear wing and top of the sill was completely eaten through with rust.

I could waggle both panels quite a bit (actually surprisingly thin metal) as the weld/seam had completely separated.

Obviously we walked after wed had a nose inside - noticed a lot of surface rust on front seat turntable plates and hints if rust on edges of front wheelarch lips.

Also some thick black underseal in rear wheelarches (not especially new) which sounded a bit dead in places when i tapped it (lifting off the chassis or rust underneath?)

Now I thought these X250 vans were galvanised so shouldnt rust so was pretty surprised to see this.

Especially as they were asking £28,000 for it !!!

Is this an isolated poor vehicle ?

Has anyone else seen/had corrosion issues in this area or any others ? Are these vans generally OK for corrosion or are the early ones starting to go the way of the previous shape which were terrible rot boxes ?

Having been and looked at a few panel van conversions about 07/08 plates not that impressed with the quality/condition of the vans on offer at these prices.

An unconverted van of this age would probably be about £3000 so about a tenth of the price of the converted vans are retailing at.

I have a 2011 LWB ducato Globescout.
Van is rust free with the exception of this exact same spot and a few points around the cassette door fixing screws.
I’ll repair when I have some free time.
Nice to know these vans are commanding this sort of money still as I only paid £29k when I purchased mine at 2 year old.

 

[scotzsue]

What was the year all those new motorhomes which had been caught in floods? the insurance companies auctioned them off.

 

[Afitos]

Personally I wouldn't buy one newer than 10 years old . The build quality is diabolical

Totally agree with you. Unless you're spending mega bucks, like over 100k. Even then some of the attention to detail leaves much to be desired

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[Lenny HB]

Totally agree with you. Unless you're spending mega bucks, like over 100k. Even then some of the attention to detail leaves much to be desired

100k isn't mega bucks for a Motorhome nowadays, the cheapest Carthago A Class is over 100k and Hymer only just under. That's before you add the basic options you can't buy them without.

 

[Guigsy]

200k isn't mega bucks for a Motorhome nowadays, the cheapest Carthago A Class is over 100k and Hymer only just under.

Maybe not MegaBucks, but defo in the KiloBucks range.

 

[Northernraider]

200k isn't mega bucks for a Motorhome nowadays, the cheapest Carthago A Class is over 100k and Hymer only just under. That's before you add the basic options you can't buy them without.

It's megabucks if you don't have it lol . 100k would completely clean me out

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[Lenny HB]

100k isn't mega bucks for a Motorhome nowadays, the cheapest Carthago A Class is over 100k and Hymer only just under. That's before you add the basic options you can't buy them without.

Corrected the typo

 

[Lenny HB]

It's megabucks if you don't have it lol . 100k would completely clean me out

At your age it would have cleaned me out several times over.

 

[Northernraider]

At your age it would have cleaned me out several times over.

Half of that is likely to clean me out at your age lol


Unless I win the lottery ....which I never play

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[Tony50]

It all depends how they've been looked after.

Were the same , 13 year old low Mileage Volvo XC60 no rust can't justify selling it

 

[pappajohn]

Many years ago a local trawlerman had a MK1 escort van.
Every time he went to sea the van was parked in exactly the same place on the pier.
The side facing the sea was rotten yet the landward side was comparatively spotless.