Autotrail Cheyenne - Toll Charges

[JaG]

Is it true that motorhomes over 3m come under Category 2 when going through toll booths?
Our Cheyenne is 3.07m and we recently went through one in this country and it came up Category 3. We argued the toss it was under 3m and the Satellite Dome on top was making it over 3m. They did accept it but legally it is Category 3, which is a heck of a lot more than Category 2.
What is the legal score on this?

 

[Diabalo]

With my AT Mohawk if it comes up as class 3 we press the button and say we're class 2, never failed.

 

[JaG]

With my AT Mohawk if it comes up as class 3 we press the button and say we're class 2, never failed.

Thanks.

 

[Conal]

I really like the roomy feel of our Autotrail Delaware but why make it 3.03m tall. The designers must know the height limit (3 metres) for some tolls and the difference in toll price is substantial. I know there are those who will say “when you pay that much for a motorhome why worry about a few £100 a year“ but I regard it as a design fault.

 

[599]

Is it true that motorhomes over 3m come under Category 2 when going through toll booths?
Our Cheyenne is 3.07m and we recently went through one in this country and it came up Category 3. We argued the toss it was under 3m and the Satellite Dome on top was making it over 3m. They did accept it but legally it is Category 3, which is a heck of a lot more than Category 2.
What is the legal score on this?

hi jaG . when we had our cheyenne 840d tag she was under 3m so class 2 my friend has delaware over 3m class 3 . they have a laser for the heights .
but we both have these so much easier & you get bank to bank exchange rates . val
https://www.emovis-tag.co.uk/french-toll-tags

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[Madcaravanner]

under 3m is class 2
Over 3m is class 3
Press the button for the operator and say "" Je suis un Camping-Car"" which may work as Camping Cars are SUPPOSED to class 2 but doesn't always work - from experience our 2.95m high moho - was topped on last peage before Calais where they claimed I was over 3m and would NOT let me through unless I paid class 3

 

[Madcaravanner]

hi jaG . when we had our cheyenne 840d tag she was under 3m so class 2 my friend has delaware over 3m class 3 . they have a laser for the heights .
but we both have these so much easier & you get bank to bank exchange rates . val
https://www.emovis-tag.co.uk/french-toll-tags

BTW IF you are over 3.5T these don't cover you and you can be fined for using one - - we've sent ours back as when we apply the Angles morts it shows that we are over 3.5T
And as SWMBO is not allowed to drive anymore I have someone to pop out and pay

 

[Lenny HB]

What is the legal score on this?

Class 3.
Also if over 3.5t regardless of height its Class 3.

 

[Orion]

Class 3.
Also if over 3.5t regardless of height its Class 3.

How do ‘they’ know? Is a digital check of some database? Thinking of a scenario with a 3.65t uplift on a usually 3.5t model where they are visually identical.

 

[599]

BTW IF you are over 3.5T these don't cover you and you can be fined for using one - - we've sent ours back as when we apply the Angles morts it shows that we are over 3.5T
And as SWMBO is not allowed to drive anymore I have someone to pop out and pay

well i don't know about you but we had ours from the c/c/club & default to caravans which was on offer 5 years ago & used it on our last m/h for 3years which was 5000kg as you don't have to give your reg our Spain/Portugal you have to give your reg .val

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[Lenny HB]

How do ‘they’ know? Is a digital check of some database? Thinking of a scenario with a 3.65t uplift on a usually 3.5t model where they are visually identical.

The OP asked for the legal position so I gave it, up to you if you want to risk it. I don't use toll roads.

 

[Hoovie]

I really like the roomy feel of our Autotrail Delaware but why make it 3.03m tall. The designers must know the height limit (3 metres) for some tolls and the difference in toll price is substantial. I know there are those who will say “when you pay that much for a motorhome why worry about a few £100 a year“ but I regard it as a design fault.

Have you a Hi-Line or a Low-Line Autotrail?

 

[Orion]

The OP asked for the legal position so I gave it, up to you if you want to risk it. I don't use toll roads.

It was a genuine question asking about a borderline vehicle scenario. I thought that someone might be able to answer it - or maybe not.

 

[franknjan]

We've recently travelled through France in an Autotrail Arapaho (3.1)All tolls came up as class 2 even the Millau bridge.
In previous years we've had to challenge most tolls down to class 2. The Millau used to get us for class 4 and would not change because we have 6 wheels.
This year I wondered if they had raised the height sensors to ease the number of challenges.

 

[Lenny HB]

It was a genuine question asking about a borderline vehicle scenario. I thought that someone might be able to answer it - or maybe not.

Normally they only have height sensors but I think on some booths they can detect number of axles which also puts the cost up.
We have ended up on a toll section a couple of times by accident and only been charged Class 2 we are 4.5t.

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[Spriddler]

Press the button for the operator and say "" Je suis un Camping-Car""

Yep, that'll see thee right in 'Uddersfield...........

.......we recently went through one in this country and it came up Category 3.

I think he'd fare better with: "Eeeyupp lad, carn't thar see I'm int' Cheyenne?"

 

[JaG]

Class 3.
Also if over 3.5t regardless of height its Class 3.

Ah, that seals the deal then as ours is 3900kg.

 

[JaG]

Have you a Hi-Line or a Low-Line Autotrail?

Ours is Highline

 

[franknjan]

I assume you're asking me?
Our's is a high line also.

 

[Conal]

Hoovie Ours is the Low Line with cupboards

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[ramsthom]

I really like the roomy feel of our Autotrail Delaware but why make it 3.03m tall. The designers must know the height limit (3 metres) for some tolls and the difference in toll price is substantial. I know there are those who will say “when you pay that much for a motorhome why worry about a few £100 a year“ but I regard it as a design fault.

Our Autotrail Tribute low line according to the brochure is also 3.03 metre. Its always been charged as class 2. This year i accually checked the height fully loaded at the highest point and it came to 2.97 meters. Maybe worthwhile checking yours.

 

[Hoovie]

I assume you're asking me?
Our's is a high line also.

Guess it was a question for any Autotrail owner.

Sounds like the Highline (which I have also) is well over the 3M height number.

 

[Conal]

ramsthom The brochure showed the Low Line at 3.03m and the Hi Line at 3.10m. However I am not sure if that is the highest point of the body or of the accessories. The Aerial is slightly raised from the roof, although it is able to be flattened. I measured the motorhome last year by taking a spirit level up on a forklift truck, and it was exactly 3m but the ground sloped so I could be a few cms out. However, if a bridge height was given as 3.01m, I wouldn’t be going through it!

 

[Gellyneck]

Just fit low profile tyres! That'll make look like it goes faster as well!

 

[MisterB]

3.03m is just over an inch more than 3m - for years I've always believed that size didn't matter ...

I would be surprised if any laser measurements at toll booths were set so accurately and by the time the Moho is full laden it may be a bit closer to the height limit ?

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[JaG]

Our Autotrail Tribute low line according to the brochure is also 3.03 metre. Its always been charged as class 2. This year i accually checked the height fully loaded at the highest point and it came to 2.97 meters. Maybe worthwhile checking yours.

It will be the satellite dome which seals the over 3m height. When we next plan to go through a height toll I will take off the dome and see what happens.

 

[Lenny HB]

It will be the satellite dome which seals the over 3m height. When we next plan to go through a height toll I will take off the dome and see what happens.

Accessories above the base height don't count.

 

[599]

hi guys . c/c/club had an offer on with the French & Spanish/Portugal toll company & it was default to caravans & motorhomes because they didn't know what rig you had except Spain & Portugal you have to give your reg . over the last 3 years we had our Cheyenne 840 d fully loaded 6000kg 3 axels 8.3m just under 3m height we ALWAYS payed class 2 & that is the truth . its the height that matters just like the twin cameras on the m/way.s ( the top one thinks you are a truck) legally we can do 68 mph but got flashed 4 times in 1 hour with no fines this was 3 years ago they do the same with coaches get flashed . once again its the height that matters not the length or weight said the vicar to the actress . val

 

[Barryh]

Our Tracker Hi-line has always been Class 2 in France on the height measure. We are plated at 3650 though, so should really pay class 3 I think. Today we are off to Chester for a couple of days and I’ve just checked the toll price of the Runcorn Bridge Mersey crossing. The weight puts us into class 3 which is £6 as opposed to £2 for sub 3.5 tonne .

 

[Speve]

It will be the satellite dome which seals the over 3m height. When we next plan to go through a height toll I will take off the dome and see what happens.

Domes don’t make any difference we had auto trail Tracker with a dome and always made class 2

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