Autogas at Sainsburys, fillpoint adapters banned.

[BarumMike]

We have a refillable LPG system installed in our 2021 Ford Transit based Roller Team. The filler is a very neat brass square fitting with a threaded socket, installed below the diesel and AdBlue fillers on the other side of the vehicle. For the UK we need to use a bayonet adapter screwed into to the filler. A few days ago we Rolled into the Sainsburys fuel station in Taunton to find that the pump had a notice banning the use of adapters. We had a frustrating 48hrs failing to find anywhere to refill the lpg tank. (And see my other post today for the rest of the saga).
Is this universal Sainsburys policy and if so, why?

 

[dunnah01]

I would think the intention is to stop the dangerous use of adaptors for filling non-refillables rather than adaptors for pump nozzle type so wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Steve and Denise]

We have a refillable LPG system installed in our 2021 Ford Transit based Roller Team. The filler is a very neat brass square fitting with a threaded socket, installed below the diesel and AdBlue fillers on the other side of the vehicle. For the UK we need to use a bayonet adapter screwed into to the filler. A few days ago we Rolled into the Sainsburys fuel station in Taunton to find that the pump had a notice banning the use of adapters. We had a frustrating 48hrs failing to find anywhere to refill the lpg tank. (And see my other post today for the rest of the saga).
Is this universal Sainsburys policy and if so, why?

Just stop around the corner and screw it in, they won’t know, but never come across it before.

 

[gus-lopez]

A few days ago we Rolled into the Sainsburys fuel station in Taunton to find that the pump had a notice banning the use of adapters.

It has always had that notice, at least 7 years.. I too use an adaptor being spanish registered . I just ignore it.

 

[Orion]

It’s to stop the refilling of Calor and similar non-refillable cylinders using adapters you see advertised on eBay etc. You’ll be totally okay using your system, and as the Autogas pumps are the furthest away from the kiosk they probably wouldn’t even notice you screwing your ‘adapter’ in - if you hadn’t already done it beforehand.

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[Jev88]

I have mentioned before my local Flogas no longer allow any unattached bottle filling (safefill) or any adaptor they haven't supplied....(I think they mean their filler has a problem in higher temperatures and they supply an extension if you can't latch on)

 

[BarumMike]

Really useful comments and Jev88 has even answered the question in my second post of the day about Flogas.

 

[gus-lopez]

It’s to stop the refilling of Calor and similar non-refillable cylinders using adapters you see advertised on eBay etc. You’ll be totally okay using your system, and as the Autogas pumps are the furthest away from the kiosk they probably wouldn’t even notice you screwing your ‘adapter’ in - if you hadn’t already done it beforehand.

Not in Taunton it isn't. They had someone use an adaptor that snapped off & stayed in the gun & cost in excess of 1k£'s to repair , so they said.

 

[Lenny HB]

Not in Taunton it isn't. They had someone use an adaptor that snapped off & stayed in the gun & cost in excess of 1k£'s to repair , so they said.

I find that hard to believe the adaptor is a heavy chunk of brass every bit as strong as a filling point without an adaptor.

 

[Jonno1103]

If you're filling a U.K. LPG system in the U.K. do you need an adaptor? We never did on the underslung tank on our PVC, the pump nozzle simply twisted onto the filling point.

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[Orion]

Not in Taunton it isn't. They had someone use an adaptor that snapped off & stayed in the gun & cost in excess of 1k£'s to repair , so they said.

Not with you there. The OP is referring to the standard U.K. bayonet fitting that would normally be located under the ‘Autogas’ external filling point, but in his instance requires installation when required. Even if it snapped off, although it’s difficult to imagine how a correctly screwed in U.K. bayonet ‘adapter’ on it’s sealing O ring could do that, it wouldn’t be too difficult to remove from the pump handle when the pressure was off with a pair of pliers and a twist?

Isn’t it possible that the ‘so they said’ refers to one of those off piste eBay Calor filling adapters rather than a bona fide MoHo filling point?

 

[gus-lopez]

I find that hard to believe the adaptor is a heavy chunk of brass every bit as strong as a filling point without an adaptor.

UK ones might be with 1/2" bsp threads but foreign ones,like mine are /were are a 10mm thread . You don't hang then gun on them without standing on the pump hose to prevent pull on them

Even if it snapped off, although it’s difficult to imagine how a correctly screwed in U.K. bayonet ‘adapter’ on it’s sealing O ring could do that,

as above foreign are 10mm& also not brass mainly but some sintered metal that even looks weak

it wouldn’t be too difficult to remove from the pump handle with a pair of pliers and a twist?

NO that is what I would do. but they called the pump engineers.

filling adapters rather than a bona fide MoHo filling point?

No they actually said it was the same as mine an adaptor for the uk screwed in to a foreign type fitting.& this was 7 or 8 years ago also.

 

[Orion]

UK ones might be with 1/2" bsp threads but foreign ones,like mine are /were are a 10mm thread . You don't hang then gun on them without standing on the pump hose to prevent pull on them

as above foreign are 10mm& also not brass mainly but some sintered metal that even looks weak


NO that is what I would do. but they called the pump engineers.

No they actually said it was the same as mine an adaptor for the uk screwed in to a foreign type fitting.& this was 7 or 8 years ago also.

Okay, taking all that onboard, and let’s not start a flame war here, we are referring to the OP’s situation with his U.K.’adapter’ which has no relevance to the eBay Calor cylinder fillers (with no 80% cutoff), nor the 10mm pot metal euro products? In which case he’s okay to go then?

 

[Basildog]

Not in Taunton it isn't. They had someone use an adaptor that snapped off & stayed in the gun & cost in excess of 1k£'s to repair , so they said.

That will be on a Dacia

 

[Basildog]

I find that hard to believe the adaptor is a heavy chunk of brass every bit as strong as a filling point without an adaptor.

No they are the type with an m10 adapter and very prone to snapping
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[RetiredPope]

We had a frustrating 48hrs failing to find anywhere to refill the lpg tank.

If near Taunton or A303, visit Thornfalcon Garage, TA3 5NN. It's next to Somerset Motorhome Centre and has gas available. They also sell there fuel at a cost plus basis, so recently they have been quite a bit cheaper than surrounding garages as they haven't matched prices to maximise profits.

 

[scotzsue]

If you're filling a U.K. LPG system in the U.K. do you need an adaptor? We never did on the underslung tank on our PVC, the pump nozzle simply twisted onto the filling point.

Well we do as the fixing screws protrude and prevent the pump locking on without using an extension adaptor, not had any problems with using it, sadly though our nearest supplier has just stopped supplying LPG. We have a morrisons near by though.

 

[andysam]

Just to clarify; all installations have the screw "socket" as standard. Some installers supply the bayonet fitting pre installed, this is removed on the continent and replaced with the appropriate one.

The LPG adapters referred to are bottle adapters made to refill non (self) refillable cylinders.

Original LPG vehicle installations are not the target of this notice.

 

[cyberyacht]

If near Taunton or A303, visit Thornfalcon Garage, TA3 5NN. It's next to Somerset Motorhome Centre and has gas available. They also sell there fuel at a cost plus basis, so recently they have been quite a bit cheaper than surrounding garages as they haven't matched prices to maximise profits.

Perhaps that is why I was able to get LPG @ 59.9 back in August at Sainsburys. Price matching.

 

[VXman]

Well we do as the fixing screws protrude and prevent the pump locking on without using an extension adaptor, not had any problems with using it, sadly though our nearest supplier has just stopped supplying LPG. We have a morrisons near by though.

Isn't that due to mis-fitting? I remember when I was fitting my external fill point that there was clear warnings about how to fit them so the screws did not protrude. It might be worth investigating getting it refitted without protruding screws so you do not need an adapter. If not - when you go abroad you will need a adapter on top of this apdapter.

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[Pedro Pallent]

We have a refillable LPG system installed in our 2021 Ford Transit based Roller Team. The filler is a very neat brass square fitting with a threaded socket, installed below the diesel and AdBlue fillers on the other side of the vehicle. For the UK we need to use a bayonet adapter screwed into to the filler. A few days ago we Rolled into the Sainsburys fuel station in Taunton to find that the pump had a notice banning the use of adapters. We had a frustrating 48hrs failing to find anywhere to refill the lpg tank. (And see my other post today for the rest of the saga).
Is this universal Sainsburys policy and if so, why?

I have a similar system installed on my Kontiki, I was approached by one of the attendants and pointed to the sign, I opened the gas locker so she could see the refillable tanks inside the locker; she was fine at that. So I can’t see a problem, I think it’s to stop calor bottle filling.

 

[scotzsue]

Isn't that due to mis-fitting? I remember when I was fitting my external fill point that there was clear warnings about how to fit them so the screws did not protrude. It might be worth investigating getting it refitted without protruding screws so you do not need an adapter. If not - when you go abroad you will need a adapter on top of this apdapter.

Surprisingly they adaptors we have for abroad fit fine, yes it has been misfitted,only realised first time we went to fill, we have had the system in 3 vans now, wouldn't be a difficult job to put shorter screws in were it not for the dismantling needed to get to the filler.

 

[Basildog]

Well we do as the fixing screws protrude and prevent the pump locking on without using an extension adaptor, not had any problems with using it, sadly though our nearest supplier has just stopped supplying LPG. We have a morrisons near by though.

Do you mean the screws in the round plastic filler body are protruding into the box ?

 

[scotzsue]

Do you mean the screws in the round plastic filler body are protruding into the box ?

Without going down to storage and checking yes, thought i had a photo but cant find it. the screws do protrude outside the metal filler point thus preventing the pump filler from getting in far enough to lock on. We can still fill up and no leaks, just an untidy job.

 

[denisejoe]

Never had a problem at local Morrison all they want to know is where you have been or going.

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[Dorset Diver]

We have a refillable LPG system installed in our 2021 Ford Transit based Roller Team. The filler is a very neat brass square fitting with a threaded socket, installed below the diesel and AdBlue fillers on the other side of the vehicle. For the UK we need to use a bayonet adapter screwed into to the filler. A few days ago we Rolled into the Sainsburys fuel station in Taunton to find that the pump had a notice banning the use of adapters. We had a frustrating 48hrs failing to find anywhere to refill the lpg tank. (And see my other post today for the rest of the saga).
Is this universal Sainsburys policy and if so, why?

I live not so far from there and have the same fitting as you yet I have filled there several times without issue. Did they actually turn you away?

 

[Orion]

Just to clarify; all installations have the screw "socket" as standard. Some installers supply the bayonet fitting pre installed, this is removed on the continent and replaced with the appropriate one.

The LPG adapters referred to are bottle adapters made to refill non (self) refillable cylinders.

That’s not the case with my filling point. It’s a one piece bayonet, internally threaded, into which the continental adapters are screwed and seal on an O ring, so nothing to remove prior to fitting them.

I thought, maybe wrongly, that it was an industry standard fitting for U.K. refillable systems these days?

 

[meanders]

Ours is the same as Orion

 

[gus-lopez]

No they are the type with an m10 adapter and very prone to snapping
Supplied with many European cars , now Dacia mainly.

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Many are even worse than your link being all brass but with a mickey mouse 10mm male to 10mm male adaptor made of some rubbery metal that snaps if you give it a dirty look. terrible things.

 

[Basildog]

Just to clarify; all installations have the screw "socket" as standard. Some installers supply the bayonet fitting pre installed, this is removed on the continent and replaced with the appropriate one.

The LPG adapters referred to are bottle adapters made to refill non (self) refillable cylinders.

Original LPG vehicle installations are not the target of this notice.

It’s the foreign dish type filling points that use an m10 thread that’s almost certainly caused the problem.
It’s been known for many years but they are still used
There’s always been some contradictions in the LPG conversion standards, they actually said that no adaptor should be used , but that’s not stopping Dacia importing vehicles that require an adaptor.
We supply a different version that clamps in place so less likely to snap .

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