Are rallies legal after the 4th July?

[Jim]

Can groups of more than 6 people from different households gather in one place?

A question I've just asked our insurers.

 

[steve 6644]

Could it be a case of six of one and half a dozen of the others.

 

[DavidG58]

It would be bonkers if we can’t, 2m SD should be easy, it must be so much safer than going to a supermarket

but I do feel for the government trying to create a one size fits all policy , while juggling polar opposite opinions

 

[kevenh]

Sorry it’s a wall of text but here’s how our local Berkshire Centre C&MC plan to have rallies: -

Following on from yesterday's announcement, we are able to confirm that as of we will be able to host rallies again! There is an update from the Caravan and Motorhome Club also. The guidance outlined was for centres to use where/when appropriate.

With these two pieces of guidance in place, it currently means that we must only site units whilst following social distancing. (Caravans and Motorhomes will remain spaced a minimum of 6m apart, however, this will be more if the space on site and numbers allow).

Unfortunately for the time being there will be no socials, raffle, or flag meeting. Nor will anyone on site be able to share food or drink with anyone not from within their normal household/bubble members. Ralliers will also not be allowed to have any visitors on site.

Ralliers may hold small gatherings outside their units ensuring they conform with current Government guidance. (This is currently a maximum of 6 people from multiple households or 2 entire households and remaining socially distant from anyone not living in their household/bubble). Please note for clarification that the term "household" is not extended family, it means those living under the same roof normally

The source is their email mail out to members.

 

[irnbru]

I hope so or theres going to be some disappointed folk, including me.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Jim]

Someone told me the MCC have banned rallies until they get clarification from Natural England.

 

[Terry]

Can groups of more than 6 people from different households gather in one place?

A question I've just asked our insurers.

It's a hard one ...I fear insurance will simply say no

 

[irnbru]

Someone told me the MCC have banned rallies until they get clarification from Natural England.

Are they some sort of governing body or just another club?

 

[Jim]

Another club.

This was an email sent to their members, I think CoM is Council of Management

Dear All,

The good news is Boris Johnson has said that camp sites can re-open from 4th July.

The bad news is that we do not know how the camp sites will manage bookings and no mention was made of rallies.

I do not think the PM will be aware what a rally is and I would not expect him to know.

He did not mention how many people can join together as a group, so we do not know how we stand with our rallies.

Already on Face book people are saying they are going to a rally, whilst others have said we need to get the O.K. from CoM.
I have repeatedly said, and I say again,

“Neither I nor CoM will be saying go ahead it is alright for you to rally, as if anything goes wrong I and we, would be culpable.
Groups will have to listen to the Government advice and make up their own minds.
Please do not do anything to put in jeopardy our Exemption Certificate, without which we cannot rally
I have tried to contact Natural England, which grants our Exemption Certificate but, due to the virus, they are short staffed.

I have left a voicemail and have sent an email expressing my concerns and asking for a quick response. There is nothing more I can do.


Brian Herschell.

Club Chairman.

 

[pagey]

another club

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[chaser]

Can groups of more than 6 people from different households gather in one place?

A question I've just asked our insurers.

In my opinion which doesn't count for much, if this virus doesn't suddenly start to rip again, I think everything will be open by July 14 campsites included.

 

[Jim]

, if this virus doesn't suddenly start to rip again,

You are right, I can't imagine we will ever be locked down again, but things will close again. Sites, beaches etc

 

[irnbru]

Isn't a rally field like a temporary campsite? If not what's the difference. I'm confused maybe.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Isn't a rally field like a temporary campsite? If not what's the difference. I'm confused maybe.

I think it’s different because it could be called a social gathering.

 

[Oldbob]

I think it’s different because it could be called a social gathering.

Well, can be unsocial and that would work !

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Gaston aires]

Campsites I have booked don’t offer group bookings, so no rallies I guess.
Phil

 

[jockaneezer]

Maybe if we changed it from a rally to a protest and called ourselves something like "Boris Loathes Motorhomers" or an acronym of that, for convenience you understand, then I reckon we could fill Hyde Park !

 

[John Barrett]

Well, can be unsocial and that would work !

I'm sure that some qualifying volunteers could be found on here...
John

 

[irnbru]

Campsites I have booked don’t offer group bookings, so no rallies I guess.
Phil

So, I'm not trying to be awkward, more just trying to get my head around it. If for example 10 vans all booked onto a site then socialised keeping SD thats ok?

 

[chaser]

The whole thing has descended into farce now
Just the simplest thing, folks can't visit grandkids, but they can all go and stand in the queue outside tesco

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[John Barrett]

So, I'm not trying to be awkward, more just trying to get my head around it. If for example 10 vans all booked onto a site then socialised keeping SD thats ok?

I don't see anything wrong with that approach, and the Campsite is therefore off the hook!
John

 

[Silver-Fox]

I'm sure that some qualifying volunteers could be found on here...
John

I resemble that remark

 

[irnbru]

I don't see anything wrong with that approach, and the Campsite is therefore off the hook!
John

So if thats acceptable I don't really get how making a field into a temporary campsite might not be, I could however be missing the point.

 

[Kannon Fodda]

In that spirit we advise that from 4 July, two households of any size should be able to meet in any setting inside or out.

That does not mean they must always be the same two households.

It will be possible for instance to meet one set of grandparents one weekend, and the others the following weekend.

We are not recommending meetings of multiple households indoors because of the risk of creating greater chains of transmission.


Outside, the guidance remains that people from several households can meet in groups of up to six.

and it follows that two households can also meet, regardless of size.

We cannot collectively meet up in anything other than a group of 6 people or two Motorhomes (if you had 2 4 berth MH's).

Larger numbers meeting up aren't allowed, and it's unclear how long you should wait before you can mix with a different group of people.

In that context I can't see how a "rally" can occur as yet since you cannot all meet up. But if we all arrive at a location, and remain as individual Motorhome units, and then once at the site meet up with small groups, and no formal entertainment activities, I can't see there would be a problem.

 

[John Barrett]

So if thats acceptable I don't really get how making a field into a temporary campsite might not be, I could however be missing the point.

Something to do with 'An organised and controlled environment' such as a campsite?
John

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Emmit]

I don't see anything wrong with that approach, and the Campsite is therefore off the hook!
John

The campsite were never On "The hook'
Grown ups aren't dragged, kicking and screaming to a campsite. People must take responsibility for their own actions (or inaction)

 

[John Barrett]

The campsite were never On "The hook'
Grown ups aren't dragged, kicking and screaming to a campsite. People must take responsibility for their own actions (or inaction)

My meaning was in regard to a campsite not permitting gatherings of more than six people. You just chose to put your own meaning on my post.
John

 

[Terry]

We cannot collectively meet up in anything other than a group of 6 people or two Motorhomes (if you had 2 4 berth MH's).

Larger numbers meeting up aren't allowed, and it's unclear how long you should wait before you can mix with a different group of people.

In that context I can't see how a "rally" can occur as yet since you cannot all meet up. But if we all arrive at a location, and remain as individual Motorhome units, and then once at the site meet up with small groups, and no formal entertainment activities, I can't see there would be a problem.

That may be true but a rally is a different thing. IE planned. As such you should have insurance in place. Now let me think .....why would insurance put itself at risk when they don't have to

 

[Emmit]

We cannot collectively meet up in anything other than a group of 6 people or two Motorhomes (if you had 2 4 berth MH's).

Larger numbers meeting up aren't allowed, and it's unclear how long you should wait before you can mix with a different group of people.

In that context I can't see how a "rally" can occur as yet since you cannot all meet up. But if we all arrive at a location, and remain as individual Motorhome units, and then once at the site meet up with small groups, and no formal entertainment activities, I can't see there would be a problem.

Following that argument, CL's run by the C&MC could not open because, by definition, one has to be member to use the site. Therefore, any more than 6 peeps 'could' be construed as a social gathering. It's a minefield full of obfuscation.

 

[Kannon Fodda]

Following that argument, CL's run by the C&MC could not open because, by definition, one has to be member to use the site. Therefore, any more than 6 peeps 'could' be construed as a social gathering. It's a minefield full of obfuscation.

Why would you expect clarity when the government is having to re-write the rules on a daily basis. Most legislation that has taken years to prepare has problems and yet that has had time for so called scrutiny. The stuff happening now is being made up on the fly.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}