Anyone used an e-Rider? (1 Viewer)

[South_Wales_Lady]

Hi, my husband is off the road for a year due to a seizure and is looking at an alternative means of getting about locally. He's got an ebike already and it does the job but he feels as if it hasn't really got enough "presence" on the road. A Google search threw up an e-Rider 15, which is the one you can ride without a license and is basically an ebike made to look like a scooter, so does have a more substantial look about it. We've ring various people who say they sell them but don't seem to have one we can try and won't order one unless we pay upfront, which of course we won't do until we've tried one out......

Anyway, has anyone got or had one of these things and can pass on info about hoe good or bad they are? I'm not convinced it would be any improvement over the ebike he's got already in terms of pulling power, in fact as it's heavier may even be worse. But I can't argue with the fact that it looks bigger, from the pictures at least - not been able to see one in real life yet!

 

[treetops1]

Seen a couple fly past over the last month look ok and seem fast , but no more info i'm afraid

 

[hilldweller]

Conflict here...........

"Twist and go"
"The motor has also been upgraded to a more powerful 250W to harmonise with the new EU legislation."

The latest EU regs prohibit twist and go.

All that bodywork to haul around will negate any extra power.

I've seen this sort of thing at a few MH shows and always thought "a triumph of style over function".

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[pappajohn]

I can see problems......
If your local plod aren't used to seeing them, which will be the case, they will easily assume it IS a scooter/moped....being ridden without a registration plate or a proper motorcycle helmet.
At least a regular Ebike looks like a pushbike.

 

[Puddleduck]

Be careful and check if you are actually allowed to ride ANY sort of vehicle on the road if your licence has been revoked because of a medical condition. It doesn't matter if the vehicle needs a licence or not.

I have been told I must not ride a bike on the road because my licence has been revoked due to a medical condition. I can ride on cycle paths and traffic free routes but not on the highway. So far I have not been able to find out if this is true or not - a lot appears to depend on the definition of a "mechanically propelled vehicle"

 

[Sheddy]

Try here,
https://www.bikesure.co.uk/bikesureblog/2016/07/the-2016-guide-to-electric-scooters.html,
There is a link to owners map who are prepared to assist with test drives.
Cheers
Ed

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[pappajohn]

Be careful and check if you are actually allowed to ride ANY sort of vehicle on the road if your licence has been revoked because of a medical condition. It doesn't matter if the vehicle needs a licence or not.

I have been told I must not ride a bike on the road because my licence has been revoked due to a medical condition. I can ride on cycle paths and traffic free routes but not on the highway. So far I have not been able to find out if this is true or not - a lot appears to depend on the definition of a "mechanically propelled vehicle"

As no licence is require why would you be asked if you are technically banned from riding a pushbike ?

 

[Poohbear]

I can see problems......
If your local plod aren't used to seeing them, which will be the case, they will easily assume it IS a scooter/moped....being ridden without a registration plate or a proper motorcycle helmet.
At least a regular Ebike looks like a pushbike.

Local plod? What's that? I haven't seen a policeman for several years. Do we actually still have any?

 

[GJH]

The latest EU regs prohibit twist and go.

Apart from that they become illegal as soon as the pedals are removed.

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[Puddleduck]

As no licence is require why would you be asked if you are technically banned from riding a pushbike ?

If there was an accident? And round here everyone knows everything about everyone. It has certainly been noted that I am not driving.

I was told if the DVLA say you are not fit to drive then you should also not be cycling on the highway.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

I have been told I must not ride a bike on the road because my licence has been revoked due to a medical condition.

Based on what law exactly? You don't need a licence to ride a bicycle and nothing you do on a bicycle can have any effect on on your driving licence.

You might have been advised not to ride on the road but I don't think anyone can say you must not and I don't think anyone can stop you unless you are an obvious danger whilst you're doing it.

 

[hilldweller]

Apart from that they become illegal as soon as the pedals are removed.

Why would you want to ? You need somewhere to put your feet, other than the way EU kids ride mopeds, and they don't have enough grunt to do much, unless it's dead flat no wind, without some pedalling.

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[GJH]

Why would you want to ? You need somewhere to put your feet, other than the way EU kids ride mopeds, and they don't have enough grunt to do much, unless it's dead flat no wind, without some pedalling.

When I've seen them at motorhome shows one of the selling points has been that purchasers can remove the pedals so they can pretend they are riding a scooter rather than an e-bike

 

[Deleted member 29692]

Be careful and check if you are actually allowed to ride ANY sort of vehicle on the road if your licence has been revoked because of a medical condition. It doesn't matter if the vehicle needs a licence or not.

I've just had a read to try and find a definitive answer.

You cannot be banned from riding a bicycle on the road. There is no possible way in law that anyone can stop you.

You can be fined if you are cycling in a dangerous manner, which includes whilst inebriated, but that's it.

You might have been advised not to ride on the road but nobody has the power to tell you that you are not allowed to.

It's got nothing to do with the DVLA because you don't need a licence for a bicycle.

I think you've had bad advice from someone.

 

[hilldweller]

When I've seen them at motorhome shows one of the selling points has been that purchasers can remove the pedals so they can pretend they are riding a scooter rather than an e-bike

That figures. These are same people telling folk they will be fine in Spain.

But I did think that if that top box was filled with more battery it might have quite a range, at a high extra price.

Another way to look at them is, you are paying for all that bodywork, suspension etc which means top grade ebike price and getting B grade ebike running gear.

Has anyone looked at the weight yet ?

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[Puddleduck]

Based on what law exactly? You don't need a licence to ride a bicycle and nothing you do on a bicycle can have any effect on on your driving licence.

You might have been advised not to ride on the road but I don't think anyone can say you must not and I don't think anyone can stop you unless you are an obvious danger whilst you're doing it.

I was told it was part of the RTA - needing to be medically fit enough to be in charge of a mechanically propelled vehicle.

The RTA 1988 section 29 which says "If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence." so if you know you should not be driving on the road because the DVLA have told you so then you should also not be cycling on the road. If there was an accident it is likely that you could be in quite a bit of trouble.


I was told to get as much exercise as I could (including cycling) but to stay off the roads even on a cycle as the DVLA had said I was medically unfit to drive a car. The specialist tried to get the DVLA to reconsider my case as she didn't think there was problem with driving but they won't be moved.

 

[tonyidle]

I was told it was part of the RTA - needing to be medically fit enough to be in charge of a mechanically propelled vehicle.

The RTA 1988 section 29 which says "If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence." so if you know you should not be driving on the road because the DVLA have told you so then you should also not be cycling on the road. If there was an accident it is likely that you could be in quite a bit of trouble.


I was told to get as much exercise as I could (including cycling) but to stay off the roads even on a cycle as the DVLA had said I was medically unfit to drive a car. The specialist tried to get the DVLA to reconsider my case as she didn't think there was problem with driving but they won't be moved.

" Mechanically propelled" refers to vehicles that can be driven independent of human muscle power and excludes pedal cycles.

http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110810105356515

 

[Puddleduck]

You cannot be banned from riding a bicycle on the road. There is no possible way in law that anyone can stop you.

You can be fined if you are cycling in a dangerous manner, which includes whilst inebriated, but that's it.

As above. The DVLA say you are not fit so under section 29 you could be held to be not taking reasonable consideration if there was an accident.

There is a chap locally that has been told by the police not to cycle on the road or they would take action against him. His licence was revoked as he can't pass the eyesight test. The policeman said because the man knew he had a problem with his eyesight he wasn't taking reasonable consideration if he did go onto the road. Obviously there was a complaint made about the way he was cycling for the police to become involved.

By extension if you have had blackouts or similar, there is a possibility of another and you decide to go and cycle on the road then you are not taking reasonable consideration of yourself and others.

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[Deleted member 29692]

The RTA 1988 section 29 which says "If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence." so if you know you should not be driving on the road because the DVLA have told you so then you should also not be cycling on the road. If there was an accident it is likely that you could be in quite a bit of trouble.

Yes, that's how you can commit the offences I mentioned before.

I don't think your interpretation is correct though.

The DVLA suspending your licence has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not you are fit to ride a bicycle. In the event of an accident you could only be in trouble if you were riding in a dangerous manner that directly caused the accident.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

The DVLA say you are not fit so under section 29 you could be held to be not taking reasonable consideration if there was an accident.

I'd love to see that tested in court.

The DVLA cannot determine your fitness to ride a bicycle.

There is a chap locally that has been told by the police not to cycle on the road or they would take action against him. His licence was revoked as he can't pass the eyesight test. The policeman said because the man knew he had a problem with his eyesight he wasn't taking reasonable consideration if he did go onto the road. Obviously there was a complaint made about the way he was cycling for the police to become involved.

They can advise him but they can't take action unless they see him actually causing a danger to himself or others. I suppose they could even follow him if they wanted to but as long as he's riding in a safe manner they can't touch him.

 

[Puddleduck]

Well I am not going to test it in court!

The chap in question has been involved in a whole load of incidents (twice involving police vehicles) as he just can't see well enough to be safe.

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[Deleted member 29692]

Thinking about this I've known several people who have never been allowed to drive, in all the cases due to eyesight problems. An uncle of mine is one I remember and also somebody I went to school with. My uncle in particular had terrible eyesight.

There have been others as well.

It was never suggested to any of them that they could not ride a bicycle. On the contrary they were all actively encouraged to do so and as far as I'm aware still are.

 

[Just smiffy]

I've been told off by a copper for going too fast in my wheelchair...

Seriously...! On the path going down hill, he said I'm "going too fast for a pedestrian controlled vehicle" ....

 

[pappajohn]

Based on what law exactly? You don't need a licence to ride a bicycle and nothing you do on a bicycle can have any effect on on your driving licence.

You might have been advised not to ride on the road but I don't think anyone can say you must not and I don't think anyone can stop you unless you are an obvious danger whilst you're doing it.

Confirms my understanding.
You can ride a bike while banned from driving which theoretically is the case here.

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[pappajohn]

It's got nothing to do with the DVLA because you don't need a licence for a bicycle.

Agreed, the clue is in the initials....

Driver (and)
Vehicle
Licencing
Authority

Bicycles have nothing to do with DVLA.

 

[MitchandJenny]

nothing you do on a bicycle can have any effect on your driving licence.

I thought that if you were caught drunk in charge of a pushbike it affected your car licence ??
Mitch

 

[GWAYGWAY]

What about kids of 8 or so riding push bikes around UNDER AGE . When I had my angioplaty I was Banned for a period of 30 days so I was reduced to riding a push bike around,, That made real sense for a person whose heart was deemed dodgy for driving, have you seen the hills in Dover?

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[Deleted member 29692]

I thought that if you were caught drunk in charge of a pushbike it affected your car licence ??

Nope.

You can be fined but that's all.

 

[Brightspark]

Perhaps what im going to say is being thought by others and may hurt your feelings but;

So your husband gets an ebike15 and has a few uneventful journies. Then one day he's out on the road and has another seizure, collapses in the middle of the road and gets run over. Head injury, coma and all the suffering that goes with it. Or your husband escapes injury but the driver swerves to avoid him and hits innocent people.
Who's at fault? & who ends up with having to deal with an insurance claim because cyclists don't need to have insurance do they!
Oh and the constant memory of running into someone when they had no chance of avoiding the cyclist. I've been there and still have the memory from over 30 years ago. DVLA HAVE REVOKED HIS LICENCE FOR A REASON - THEY DON'T WANT HIM ON THE ROADS

 

[mustaphapint]

Perhaps what im going to say is being thought by others and may hurt your feelings but;

So your husband gets an ebike15 and has a few uneventful journies. Then one day he's out on the road and has another seizure, collapses in the middle of the road and gets run over. Head injury, coma and all the suffering that goes with it. Or your husband escapes injury but the driver swerves to avoid him and hits innocent people.
Who's at fault? & who ends up with having to deal with an insurance claim because cyclists don't need to have insurance do they!
Oh and the constant memory of running into someone when they had no chance of avoiding the cyclist. I've been there and still have the memory from over 30 years ago. DVLA HAVE REVOKED HIS LICENCE FOR A REASON - THEY DON'T WANT HIM ON THE ROADS

And the same issues could occur with someone walking or crossing the road on foot. Where should the line be drawn? Should we confine everyone with poor eyesight or risk of passing out to stay at home or only allowed out in the company of a responsible adult.
There are many people driving on our roads today at risk of a stroke because they have never seen a doctor to be diagnosed, but are perfectly legal as they are unaware of a problem. Yet someone who has had an incident and is now on medication to prevent a reoccurrence is considered a risk.

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