Anybody seen this fixing? (1 Viewer)

[CazPaul]

It from my gas struts on the drop down which need replacing, thought it would be just bolts

 

[andyman]

Stanard ends on a gas strut. Check out SGS engineering.

Andy

 

[CazPaul]

Stanard ends on a gas strut. Check out SGS engineering.

Andy[/QUOTE


Thanks Andy so how do you get them off? Others we have on the swivel seat bases are just normal bolts.

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[funflair]

If you are wondering how it comes off its just a split pin bend the ends around and pull it out and then push the big pin out.

Martin

 

[pappajohn]

pictures not very clear but looks like a split pin to me. Straighten out the two ends, pull out the pin and retrieve the washer, push out the thick pin.
Unscrew the clevis from the strut if needed

 

[rangi]

As above

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[Terry]

Hi as Martin says split pin you will need to remove one and give exact centre to centre of holes ,plus it says 1000 newtons SGS WILL NEED THIS INFO

 

[CazPaul]

If you are wondering how it comes off its just a split pin bend the ends around and pull it out and then push the big pin out.

Martin

So the pin is put in and then bent around to secure, to get it off use pliers to get bend it back to straight and then pull it out? Prefer bolts myself,

 

[CazPaul]

pictures not very clear but looks like a split pin to me. Straighten out the two ends, pull out the pin and retrieve the washer, push out the thick pin.
Unscrew the clevis from the strut if needed

Thanks didn't see your reply before I sent my last one, on phone as away in the van

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[pappajohn]

So the pin is put in and then bent around to secure, to get it off use pliers to get bend it back to straight and then pull it out? Prefer bolts myself,

A clevis and split pin is very cheap and quick to fit without hand tools... And it won't come loose....ever.
A nut and bolt requires a nyloc nut, as it can't be fully tightened, and a pair of spanners.
Time and cost means everything to the motorhome converter.

 

[DavidG58]

we are in the process of changing ours on our Hymer (aren't we Terry)

we now know the bottom fittings do not even need to be removed on ours, take off top fixing, unscrew and leave in the lower fixing, reattach new strut refit top fitting

ours are only held in place with star washers, split pin seems so much better

If you would like some 1400n struts cheap PM me, bought from SGS as their 'Hymer' struts, ours need to be 2200n yours don't seem very strong to lift a bed?

 

[Terry]

Hope you got 2400 n David not 2200 Have you got them yet ?

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[CazPaul]

we are in the process of changing ours on our Hymer (aren't we Terry)

we now know the bottom fittings do not even need to be removed on ours, take off top fixing, unscrew and leave in the lower fixing, reattach new strut refit top fitting

ours are only held in place with star washers, split pin seems so much better

If you would like some 1400n struts cheap PM me, bought from SGS as their 'Hymer' struts, ours need to be 2200n yours don't seem very strong to lift a bed?[/QUOTE


Yes I agree David, the bed is bleeding heavy too, just looked on sgs site 1000N doesn't seem much bed is extremely heavy wonder if I need stronger. May take you up on that, wonder if some kind gent will give me a hand to? For a couple of drinks

 

[CazPaul]

Does it matter if you use stronger struts?

 

[CazPaul]

we are in the process of changing ours on our Hymer (aren't we Terry)

we now know the bottom fittings do not even need to be removed on ours, take off top fixing, unscrew and leave in the lower fixing, reattach new strut refit top fitting

ours are only held in place with star washers, split pin seems so much better

If you would like some 1400n struts cheap PM me, bought from SGS as their 'Hymer' struts, ours need to be 2200n yours don't seem very strong to lift a bed?[/QUOTE



Will they be the same length David? Standard length for drop downs?

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[DavidG58]

mine are sat on my dining table, easy to measure for you

the SGS standard supply for Hymer was actually about 10mm too long that is why we changed the fittings which with hind sight made it a much easier job as only one end to remove from MH

surprised at SGS as they have always been really good, I blame the web site, before you would have checked all the details, measured and checked the newton rating, no they tell you what you need

and I believe them

no credit option as now been fitted

as for too strong, as long as the person on the bed isn't too light I cant see a problem

 

[DavidG58]

Hope you got 2400 n David not 2200 Have you got them yet ?

good memory Terry

they turned up next day

will open and check, I was only guessing at what I thought

 

[hilldweller]

It from my gas struts on the drop down which need replacing, thought it would be just bolts

It's a clevis, with a clevis pin. Awesomely beautiful.

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[DavidG58]

2400N delivered, although rather worryingly the delivery note quoted 1700N again

new ones are stamped 2400N

@Terry

 

[CazPaul]

So if I rang sgs David would they advise me to get 2400 too? What newton rating was your original ones?

 

[CazPaul]

It's a clevis, with a clevis pin. Awesomely beautiful.[/QUOTE


I can't decide if that phrase means good or bad

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[GWAYGWAY]

Yes it does matter if the struts are stronger, they try and lift the bed or whatever with more than the weight of it so it tries to lift all the time.
My hymer was a right pig to get the bed to stay down as it kept rising up and needed weight on the bed to keep it put. That was the correct NEW ones fitted at the factory, it is three years old now and is still trying to rise up.

 

[DavidG58]

So if I rang sgs David would they advise me to get 2400 too? What newton rating was your original ones?

2400N that is why we have now ordered them

I would expect them to offer you a like for like replacement with the same rating

We had changed ours and couldn't tell any difference in ease of lifting, that's when I checked the rating and found we had been sent 1700N and needed 2400N to match what we had

SGS were disappointingly unhelpful on this one, but I have learnt that I should have checked first

 

[CazPaul]

Yes it does matter if the struts are stronger, they try and lift the bed or whatever with more than the weight of it so it tries to lift all the time.
My hymer was a right pig to get the bed to stay down as it kept rising up and needed weight on the bed to keep it put. That was the correct NEW ones fitted at the factory, it is three years old now and is still trying to rise up.

Thanks so it looks like I need the 1000N ones then originally put on the van 13 years ago,

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[DavidG58]

Thanks so it looks like I need the 1000N ones then originally put on the van 13 years ago,

although I would agree with your logic, what I don't understand is that would imply my bed is more then twice as heavy as yours, yet you say yours takes some moving

we have to really push ours up hard to engage the seat belt clip, which is then the only thong holding it up, very scary thought

I have heard of one coming unbuckled and clouting a driver while on the road, that could be a serious issue I do know he survived to tell us the tale

 

[CazPaul]

2400N that is why we have now ordered them

I would expect them to offer you a like for like replacement with the same rating

We had changed ours and couldn't tell any difference in ease of lifting, that's when I checked the rating and found we had been sent 1700N and needed 2400N to match what we had

SGS were disappointingly unhelpful on this one, but I have learnt that I should have checked first [/QUOTE



It's really strange, how come yours are rated originally at 2400 and mine only 1000N, unsure now what to order?

 

[CazPaul]

although I would agree with your logic, what I don't understand is that would imply my bed is more then twice as heavy as yours, yet you say yours takes some moving

we have to really push ours up hard to engage the seat belt clip, which is then the only thong holding it up, very scary thought

I have heard of one coming unbuckled and clouting a driver while on the road, that could be a serious issue I do know he survived to tell us the tale

Ours is really hard to get back up David it doesn't have a belt like our hymer did, this one clicks, catches and locks into position either side left and right

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[DavidG58]

ours measure 390mm hole centre to hole centre, but that is with the SGS fitting as photo which lengthened it by 10mm too much

The arm unscrews from the lower fixing so we have now left bottom ones fitted screwed in new strut and reattached at top only

If you want to try 1700N I would think the worst that you will fibd is the bed slightly lifts till someone is on it, or buy a heavier duvet

You can have my 1700N for half price to try as I can’t send them back need to get Terry back to remove them first though

Edit - now with photo

double edit, this is the Hymer strut, but with one of the SGS ends

 

[DavidG58]

just as a guide 1700N doesn't even start to lift ours on its own

 

[CazPaul]

ours measure 390mm hole centre to hole centre, but that is with the SGS fitting as photo which lengthened it by 19mm too much

The arm unscrews from the lower fixing so we have now left bottom ones fitted screwed in new strut and reattached at top only

If you want to try 1700N I would think the worst that you will fibd is the bed slightly lifts till someone is on it, or buy a heavier duvet

You can have my 1700N for half price to try as I can’t send them back need to get Terry back to remove them first though [/QUOTE

ours measure 390mm hole centre to hole centre, but that is with the SGS fitting as photo which lengthened it by 19mm too much

The arm unscrews from the lower fixing so we have now left bottom ones fitted screwed in new strut and reattached at top only

If you want to try 1700N I would think the worst that you will fibd is the bed slightly lifts till someone is on it, or buy a heavier duvet

You can have my 1700N for half price to try as I can’t send them back need to get Terry back to remove them first though

Does it have the same end fitting as per my photo David, I don't want to mess about altering anything, I will measure the length.

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