Anti-social Behaviour Bill - Action required NOW

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  1. John & Joan

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    Anti-social Behaviour Bill

    NOW is the time to write to your MP about this new threat to simple wild parking .

    This proposed legislation would effectively make it possible for courts to ban anything which could cause a nuisance to anyone, however unreasonable the person making the complaint is.

    The currently Bill carries no requirement for a complaint to be "reasonable".


    Ten years ago, naturists successfully lobbied in large numbers for amendments to the Sexual Offences Bill, which resulted in substantial changes in their favour by the time it became law.

    Make sure that Wild Parking does not become illegal if it causes a nuisance to anyone, however unreasonable the person making the complaint is.

    The Bill will have completed the committee stage by 16th July so please contact your MP NOW
     
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    The Bill covers a wide range of matters John. Which part is the one which would create a threat of banning of off-site camping?
     
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    whos Bill:Doh::ROFLMAO:
     
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    Hi Graham

    The currently Bill carries no requirement for a complaint to be "reasonable". as it stands.

    This short coming needs to be rectified.

    In naturism we have found many unreasonable complaints being made. Like the lady who complained to the police about a couple sunbathing naked in their garden. When the police came she climbed out of her window and walked along a wall to be able to see them. This was not a joke it actually happened.
     
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    Yes John, I understand that but the bill has 142 sections with differing procedures/provisions. A general "reasonable" plea would probably get nowhere. Which section might affect off-site camping?
     
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    Hi Graham

    This proposed legislation would effectively make it possible for courts to ban anything which could cause a nuisance to anyone, however unreasonable the person making the complaint is.

    No matter which section, reasonableness of any complaint is essential. One mans opinion (no mater how unreasonable that is) of a nuisance could be all it takes to trigger action.

    Part 4 of the Bill covers powers to deal with environmental anti-social behaviour. Chapter 1 would introduce “Community Protection Notices” to replace current notices requiring litter clearance or removal of graffiti or fly posting. The new notices would cover a wider range of behaviour and could be issued by more agencies. Chapter 2 would introduce “Public Spaces Protection Orders” to replace Designated Public Spaces Orders (which control public drinking), Dog Control Orders and Gating Orders. Again, they would be much broader powers, which could prohibit a much wider range of behaviour. There have been concerns about the breadth of this new power.

    section 1 (2), which defines antisocial behaviour as "conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to any person". With such a broad definition, it is tantamount to making everything illegal. The bill, however, does not just deal with events that have happened – as long as someone believes the potential for misbehaviour is there, he or she can seek a police officer's assistance.

    Wide and unspecified powers lead to abuse.
     
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    Thanks John. I agree that wide and unspecified powers lead to abuse.

    However, I note that (un)reasonableness is already mentioned in Chapter 1 (s40(1), s40(3), s40(4)) and in Chapter 2 (s55(1), s55(3) and s55(5) (and also s56(2))).

    If the original complaint is unreasonable would it not fail the tests in s40 and s55 anyway? It appears to me that it would.
     
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    Are you sure you are not a lawyer?

    I think you are right having just looked at the Act (very briefly)
     
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    Would it be a good idea to have letter drafted so that us thickos could copy it and send our views to our MP’s?
     
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    Not fully qualified Chris. I studied law (and passed the exams) as part of my Business Studies HND in 1968-70 so gained an interest then. In addition, the last few years of my working life were concerned with the interpretation and implementation of regulatory legislation (mainly DPA, FoIA, CMA, HRA, RIPA) but also things like producing a manual covering the whole set of equalities legislation as it affected a local authority.

    Most legislation is a matter of logical interpretation so not difficult after several decades of analysing what people really want from computer systems (as opposed to what they say) ::bigsmile:
     
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    That's impressive.

    I am all for this legislation if it prevents Shiftzz from frolicking around his garden naked.::bigsmile:
     
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    Oi

    Two bottle conditioned organic free range low carb high cholestorol beer and I can dance th nght away,,, Add Prawn Vindaloo and then you can have a show.... Bring on the Poppadoms..
     
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    It was our main lecturer all those years ago who was impressive. Les Spittle subsequently qualified for the bar and became a judge. One of my contemporaries, Simon Bourne-Arton, did the same (impressed by Les I think).

    The qualified lawyer in the family is my brother who is a partner at Hextalls.
     
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    Good firm Hextalls:thumb:
     
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    Perhaps for those of us who wish to complain to our MP
    there could be a short form letter published in this thread ?:thumb:
    I certainly would not wish to word one which could be mis represented
    by an MP.
     
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    So he tells me ::bigsmile:

    Go on then, Roger, you can draft it ::bigsmile:
     
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