Another 'Tyre' rant....

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I spoke to a tyre dealer yesterday who has been in the trade '40 years man and boy' blah blah blah......

Well he surprised me! I mentioned that the current received wisdom is that the tyres with the 'best' grip must always be put on the rear (every manufacturer says this)...... his answer was "what do they know, I'm an expert" ....... :eek: His view was to put the old nearly worn out tyres on the back 'coz they only have to hold the handbrake on' (:eek:)

This does not fill me with confidence at all. He also suggested that Michelin Camping tyres are rubbish and will wear out very quickly if used in the summer :eek:

I really got the impression that he is stuck in the past and actually knows very little about modern tyres and current thinking regarding their use.

:mad:
 
Get a new tyre guy.
Not sure where you are but if in our area I can put you in touch with my tyre guys they are superb.
 
Quick story on tyres for my car (two days ago). Found what I wanted on the internet. No, not crossply remoulds:rolleyes:. Chose a fitting station from their website. When I got there I asked what they would charge for the same tyres. The response, 'I couldn't even match what the online company were offering them for let alone charge less'. The suppliers were ASDA & the fitters Halfords.
 
chockswahay said:
I spoke to a tyre dealer yesterday who has been in the trade '40 years man and boy' blah blah blah......

Well he surprised me! I mentioned that the current received wisdom is that the tyres with the 'best' grip must always be put on the rear (every manufacturer says this)...... his answer was "what do they know, I'm an expert" ....... :eek: His view was to put the old nearly worn out tyres on the back 'coz they only have to hold the handbrake on' :)eek:)

This does not fill me with confidence at all. He also suggested that Michelin Camping tyres are rubbish and will wear out very quickly if used in the summer :eek:

I really got the impression that he is stuck in the past and actually knows very little about modern tyres and current thinking regarding their use.

:mad:
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40 years of experience unimpeded by progress!
 
maison said:
40 years of experience unimpeded by progress!
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As far as I'm aware advice, on where the new tyres (covers for those in the trade) should be fitted, has always been on the rear axle and they should be fitted in matching pairs.
None of this is compulsory in the UK, just very good advice.
Here in Spain, replacements for worn tyres, must be fitted in pairs, on the same axle, and of the same tread pattern, for the purposes of an ITV failure.


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I have always since having FWD vehicles put new tyres on the front being that the driving/steering and most of the braking is done by the front wheels and run them off on the rears.
 
Which pair of wheel does most of the vehicle braking ? The Front

On most new vehicles which pair of wheels drives it forwards the Front

Therefore put the New Tyres on the Front
 
tinkering said:
Which pair of wheel does most of the vehicle braking ? The Front

On most new vehicles which pair of wheels drives it forwards the Front

Therefore put the New Tyres on the Front
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Sorry @tinkering , the facts are that regardless of FWD or RWD the need is to avoid loss of control on slippery surfaces. More grip on the front will lead to oversteer...........will lead to loss of control. Don't take my word for it, just Google it and you will see.....

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tinkering said:
Which pair of wheel does most of the vehicle braking ? The Front

On most new vehicles which pair of wheels drives it forwards the Front

Therefore put the New Tyres on the Front
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You would think that this is the logical thing to do, but not so.

To have the worn tyres on the rear is putting you and yours at risk.

Understeer, loss of grip on the front is easy enough to correct even by the novice driver, as correction is achieved by lifting off which is the natural thing to do, and some light braking can improve the grip on the front, providing you don't lock up.
Oversteer, loss of grip on the rear, is more difficult to correct, and lifting off can make it worse, braking will only transfer more grip to the front, making things worse still. Accelerating can reduce some of the grip on the front and help to reduce some of the oversteer, as can turning into it.
This why you should always have your best tyres on the back.
FWD or RWD makes little difference as the laws of motion remain the same, in that a mass in motion wants to remain in the same direction.



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Sorry, but I like to have the best tread on the front guiding me around corners on wet roads. Tyre failure is thankfully rare; loosing grip is more of a risk.
 
JonMac46 said:
Sorry, but I like to have the best tread on the front guiding me around corners on wet roads. Tyre failure is thankfully rare; loosing grip is more of a risk.
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Yep we used to get a few customers who failed to grasp the concept and of course Newtons Law, so we would fit the new tyres on the front, after all it was no skin off our noses.

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When I started teaching Physics 5 decades ago the "4th Form" (Y10 now) started the Autumn Term with experiments on motion. Let a model car roll down a steep ramp and it goes quite well. Stop the rear wheels from turning by applying Plasticine between the wheel arch and the tyre and the car descends a bit more slowly. Stop the front wheels from turning by applying Plasticine between the wheel arch and the tyre and it soon spins round so that the stationary wheel is at the back.

I would put the best tyres on the back - Gordon
 
Put the best tyres on one side and get everyone to lean that way if there is a drama. If that does t work all run to the lav and hide in there till everything goes quiet.
 
chockswahay said:
I spoke to a tyre dealer yesterday who has been in the trade '40 years man and boy' blah blah blah......

Well he surprised me! I mentioned that the current received wisdom is that the tyres with the 'best' grip must always be put on the rear (every manufacturer says this)...... his answer was "what do they know, I'm an expert" ....... :eek: His view was to put the old nearly worn out tyres on the back 'coz they only have to hold the handbrake on' :)eek:)

This does not fill me with confidence at all. He also suggested that Michelin Camping tyres are rubbish and will wear out very quickly if used in the summer :eek:

I really got the impression that he is stuck in the past and actually knows very little about modern tyres and current thinking regarding their use.

:mad:
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The tyre dealer is an idiot, a front wheel drive vehicle with 70%+ braking on the front requires the best gripe etc on the front tyres not the rear, they are just following.
 
robnchris said:
The tyre dealer is an idiot, a front wheel drive vehicle with 70%+ braking on the front requires the best gripe etc on the front tyres not the rear, they are just following.
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Incorrect, the whole point is that the rear tyres should have the best grip regardless of FWD or RWD

(well the bit about the tyre dealer being an idiot is correct:))

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