Allowing campervans to stay on my property

[simonpMhfn6W8]

I live in North Wales and have space to my home offering great views for a single campervan to stay overnight. I was looking to charge a tenner a night including electricity.

I’ve requested an exemption with Motorhomefun which I understand is important but was wondering about insurance.

Anyone have any tips about what insurance I might need and where I can get it from?

cheers.

 

[Ivory55]

If allowing the public to use electricity will you have to have it signed off by an electrician and checked every year ? If so would the cost be worth it.

 

[simonpMhfn6W8]

If allowing the public to use electricity will you have to have it signed off by an electrician and checked every year ? If so would the cost be worth it.

Will I?

 

[Ivory55]

Will I?

If you don’t know best ask or could cost you

 

[simonpMhfn6W8]

If you don’t know best ask or could cost you

Lol that’s what I’m doing

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[Richard n Ann]

Will I?

I wouldn't bother, tell them to use it at their own risk

 

[Clipgate]

Once you provide a facility your responsible, in fact telling them it's at there risk suggests you know there is a risk.
Why not allow them to park and use there onboard power, the insurance then required is minimal, limited to public liability. Jim will lay down the minimum requirements I have little doubt. Possibly steer you in the right direction for a provider.

 

[simonpMhfn6W8]

I wouldn't bother, tell them to use it at their own risk

Does that work in court

 

[Ivory55]

Lol that’s what I’m doing

I meant someone who is up on the laws etc like a qualified electrician or there must be an association for campsite owners

 

[Reusables]

Why bother going to all the trouble of fitting EHU for one vehicle..
Most now have solar and leisure battery to last a couple of days

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[cmcardle75]

I live in North Wales and have space to my home offering great views for a single campervan to stay overnight. I was looking to charge a tenner a night including electricity.

I’ve requested an exemption with Motorhomefun which I understand is important but was wondering about insurance.

Anyone have any tips about what insurance I might need and where I can get it from?

cheers.

£10 a night including unmetered electricity sounds very cheap. Remember, every other visitor will stick a 3kW fan heater in the awning. The going rate for electric being about £5 per night, you're basically offering £5 a night for the actual spot. Would that even cover your expenses, especially if you're limited to a single pitch?

 

[simonpMhfn6W8]

Why bother going to all the trouble of fitting EHU for one vehicle..
Most now have solar and leisure battery to last a couple of days

It’s right next to an out building with a plug socket so was just going to run my own hook up cable outside

 

[simonpMhfn6W8]

£10 a night including unmetered electricity sounds very cheap. Remember, every other visitor will stick a 3kW fan heater in the awning. The going rate for electric being about £5 per night, you're basically offering £5 a night for the actual spot. Would that even cover your expenses, especially if you're limited to a single pitch?

I mean it really is just a parking space. Not sure I could demand much more. Although I’ll definitely see how it goes. I prefer ‘wild camping’ so never really sure about pricing.

 

[cmcardle75]

I mean it really is just a parking space. Not sure I could demand much more. Although I’ll definitely see how it goes. I prefer ‘wild camping’ so never really sure about pricing.

Location is everything. Where abouts are you in North Wales? How overlooked is the space?

 

[berni109]

Think it's a great idea to offer parking but it would be just that if it were me. No services of any sort. If they want to beg a watering can full of water fine but other than that it's just too much hassle.

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[simonpMhfn6W8]

Location is everything. Where abouts are you in North Wales? How overlooked is the space?

Well that’s the good bit. Very rural, very private with amazing views down to Anglesey This was last night’s sunset!

 

[Mrsambulancekidd]

Well that’s the good bit. Very rural, very private with amazing views down to Anglesey This was last night’s sunset!

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That looks worth the £10.
We would be happy at that without the EHU, handy if you can't find a suitable spot to wild.

 

[phase3begins]

And when they decide not to move on?

 

[Manic]

Wouldn’t worry about offer ehu as long as you can offer water and dump facilities.

 

[gus-lopez]

Think it's a great idea to offer parking but it would be just that if it were me. No services of any sort. If they want to beg a watering can full of water fine but other than that it's just too much hassle.

What he said^^^^^^^^^^^^

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[cmcardle75]

Well that’s the good bit. Very rural, very private with amazing views down to Anglesey This was last night’s sunset!

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What's the nearest town/village? Without EHU, I'd certainly pay £10 without blinking anywhere within sight of Anglesey, although I'd like to see black/grey waste disposal (grey could be into the hedge). I'd probably expect water, too, although I probably wouldn't use it myself, but others will need it. Rubbish disposal would also be a bonus. Depending on exact location, I might pay significantly more, up to around £20, such as if it was in Bethesda (I can't see enough detail in the photo to determine where you are). I'd also be interested for the traditional "off" season, if the pitch and approach is suitable for wet weather. You may get significant winter bookings compared with a more summer orientated tourist area, at least on the weekend.

Remember that if you're going down the road of certificated sites (from whatever club, including this one), that you can only accommodate members of that club. You could still advertise publicly (if your chosen club allows you to), but legally, they need to join if they're not already a member. As far as MHF is concerned, I'm not sure if they have to be paying members, or just have registered.

 

[Barryh]

Its great that you want to do this but I really wouldn’t bother for one space. If you want to offer a free parking space for altruistic reasons that’s brilliant but once you start charging for stuff then it’s a whole different thing. Just some things to think about. You should get public liability insurance whether you charge or not. How will you manage the daily routine of arrivals, departures, collecting fees etc. Who will do it when you are not there? Are stays limited to one night, if not then you may need to provide fresh water and toilet waste disposal, in fact the exemption may require you to do that anyway. If you provide electricity I think you need a separate RCD for it and I would certainly get it checked and certified for outdoor use by a qualified person. I don’t know your tax status but income is income. And then you’ve got the hassle of the public who will expect his £10 worth. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

 

[simonpMhfn6W8]

So CAMpRA are saying I don't any licensing to allow 1 unit to stay for 2 nights. Does anyone have any more information on this?

 

[cmcardle75]

So CAMpRA are saying I don't any licensing to allow 1 unit to stay for 2 nights. Does anyone have any more information on this?

Yes, such an exemption exists, but can only be used for 28 days a year. The certificated sites exemption is full time, but only applies to members of the exempting organisation.

Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960
FIRST SCHEDULE Cases where a Caravan Site Licence is not required

Use by a person travelling with a caravan for one or two nights

2. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Schedule, a site licence shall not be required for the use of land as a caravan site by a person travelling with a caravan who brings the caravan on to the land for a period which includes not more than two nights—

(a) if during that period no other caravan is stationed for the purposes of human habitation on that land or any adjoining land in the same occupation, and

(b) if, in the period of twelve months ending with the day on which the caravan is brought on to the land, the number of days on which a caravan was stationed anywhere on that land or the said adjoining land for the purposes of human habitation did not exceed twenty-eight.

Sites approved by exempted organisations

5(1)Subject to the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Schedule, a site licence shall not be required for the use as a caravan site of land as respects which there is in force a certificate issued under this paragraph by an exempted organisation if not more than five caravans are at the time stationed for the purposes of human habitation on the land to which the certificate relates.

 

[cmcardle75]

Yes, such an exemption exists, but can only be used for 28 days a year. The certificated sites exemption is full time, but only applies to members of the exempting organisation.

I don't know if you can use both. i.e. set up a certificated site but also allow up to 28 non-members a year.

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[simonpMhfn6W8]

I don't know if you can use both. i.e. set up a certificated site but also allow up to 28 non-members a year.

I can't imagine this is particularly well monitored? Especially for such a small setup?

 

[Langtoftlad]

I can't imagine this is particularly well monitored? Especially for such a small setup?

That suggests you might be willing to "turn a blind eye" to that particular restriction, ie break the law.
In which case, why bother complying with any of the other restrictions.
One space can hardly be money making... so just let "friends & family" park there occasionally

 

[cmcardle75]

I can't imagine this is particularly well monitored? Especially for such a small setup?

I would likely be monitored by your neighbours. However, it is unlikely that they could distinguish members from non-members.

 

[The Wino]

£10 a night including unmetered electricity sounds very cheap. Remember, every other visitor will stick a 3kW fan heater in the awning. The going rate for electric being about £5 per night, you're basically offering £5 a night for the actual spot. Would that even cover your expenses, especially if you're limited to a single pitch?

The charge on some sites for electric might be£5 a night but I bet no-one gets near that use on average and it's only the average that matters. I wouldn't bother providing ehu though for one space why not try without and see how it books.

 

[gpat]

If you don’t know best ask or could cost you

I don't think you need to do this as all motorhomes will have a panel with it's own protection. Perhaps it's a risk but what risk really. It's just an electricity supply. It either on or off.