Advice on a moped rack please

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Technical advice please....still looking for our first motorhome, but whatever we get has to be able to take a 50/125cc moped on the back rather than bicycles. Ideally, an Elddis Autoquest 180, or Bessacarr E495 or Autotrail Apache 700 or Swift Escape 644/686. Can anyone advise whether these types of vans are good for a moped rack. It´s the strength of the chassis I am referring to - are they strong enough? I am aware that there is an overall weight limit to consider and that this and the moped will seriously eat into it. If anyone knows what a moped rack weighs that would also be helpful. Is there anyone who has chosen a moped rack over cycles and if so what were your reasons?
 
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Hi while I can't answer your question directly I'd just like to point out that carrying a bike on the rear will seriously dig in to your payload.
I am considering a bike trailer myself for what ever bike I decide to buy as we only have 200kg to play with out of our 3.5 ton
 

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i use a chinese dax /monkey bike 2 seater weighs 80kg . i say get a m,home with a garage far better.
 

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scooter rack is about 35-40kg and a scooter about 100kg that will load the back axle by over 150kg. the chassis on the vans are fine to take the weight, but they stop well short of the back of the van normally. therefore any rack or towbar needs to have long arms to take the weight

plus if this is on a brand new van or newer than 2012 thr bar needs to be type approved, making it far more difficult. sadly its not just a case of whether the payload will cope with the weight
 

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There are some very clever people on here who will explain more accurately than I can of the physics involved, but if you look at this image it goes some way in explaining that loads at the rear are greater than the actual mass of the load as it reduces the weight on the front axle - which is automatically transferred to the rear axle. This explanation will show why I never became a physics teacher!
 
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heck............makes sense, so not only have you got the weight added but also the degree to which the weight effect transfers from front to rear axil as a consequence. That´s complicated but thank you for reply. Just not sure how I need to factor it into my search. I don´t want a garage because I want a rear lounge. I was looking at a Bessacarr E495 which visually seems to have a long back end. Where do you get information like this - how much weight a certain make of van can take at the rear? Is it on the registration documents?
 
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Hi. Well we have a similar issue in that our Kon-Tiki can carry a 125 scooter (circa 125kg) either in the garage or on a carrier. We bought a Fiamma Carymoto and put the scooter in the garage. No weight issues but makes the garage largely useless. Mounted ona towbar much less payload due to rear axle loading but more user friendly garage.

Need to resolve this ASAP, any one want a new carrymoto rack?
 

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There are some very clever people on here who will explain more accurately than I can of the physics involved, but if you look at this image it goes some way in explaining that loads at the rear are greater than the actual mass of the load as it reduces the weight on the front axle - which is automatically transferred to the rear axle. This explanation will show why I never became a physics teacher!

All explained here
 
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Confused by the post but assume that references to axle loading, physics and females is totally unrelated.
 

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heck............makes sense, so not only have you got the weight added but also the degree to which the weight effect transfers from front to rear axil as a consequence. That´s complicated but thank you for reply. Just not sure how I need to factor it into my search. I don´t want a garage because I want a rear lounge. I was looking at a Bessacarr E495 which visually seems to have a long back end. Where do you get information like this - how much weight a certain make of van can take at the rear? Is it on the registration documents?
info on axle weights is stamped onto the plate, either on the door pillar or under the bonnet. what you will find though is that the longer the overhang behind the rear wheels, the less load margin you will get
 

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Confused by the post but assume that references to axle loading, physics and females is totally unrelated.
the woman reference is purely in Geo's signature panel that is part of an post he makes. can get confusing when it appears its part of the post

axle loading is a dark science to many people
 
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Sorry grammatically incorrect statement should have said "are unrelated"
 

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I've just fitted a hope rac n roll scooter rack on the rear of my mobilvetta euroyacht 190 .....It has the rear garage bit as someone stated above with a scooter in it the garage is practically full .....my rack weighs 34kg and the 50cc scooter weighs 80kg

Took it for its first weekend away that weekend just passed ..noticed no difference on fuel consumption or on the actual driving of the motorhome ......but I'm still undecided whether il keep it on the rack or use the garage ..im going to try my next weekend away with it in the garage and decide which suits me best
 
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