Advice Needed To Select A Reasonably Priced Bird Watching Scope (1 Viewer)

MikeD

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I am considering buying a spotting scope for general use but mainly bird watching.

I have no idea of what size/price range/recommended makers etc.

Anybody out there with any advice pls?

Thanks in advance (y)
 

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In my opinion Swarovski are the best, not cheap, but you will always get your outlay back if you sell.

If you do go for Swarovski don't get talked into buying the optional cases .... they are not needed and just make the scope bulkier.
 
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Opticron are good as well especially the low light lens versions. With spotting scopes you really do get what you pay for, hurts at the time but well worth the extra.

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I bought an Opticron, GS 665 GA .. second hand on ebay complete with HR zoom eyepiece and cover.. like brand new, and saved a good few bob.

don't forget you will also need a good quality tripod ..
 
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Opticron are good as well especially the low light lens versions. With spotting scopes you really do get what you pay for, hurts at the time but well worth the extra.

I bought an Opticron, GS 665 GA .. second hand on ebay complete with HR zoom eyepiece and cover.. like brand new, and saved a good few bob.

don't forget you will also need a good quality tripod ..

What sort of lens size would you recommend?
 

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I have an Opticron HR80 (45º viewing angle) fitted with an SDL zoom eyepiece. I am very happy with it but it is quite big and heavier than many. Broken Link Removed You will see that there are choosing guides on the website that may help you.
Swarovski are excellent, but by the time you have bought the body, eyepiece and tripod if required, you will be looking at a price in the range of £1,500 - £2,000. Opticron is a cheaper brand but good quality. The HR80, their most expensive, would come in at around £1,000 for an equivalent setup.
A 66 mm diameter scope will be lighter to carry and give good results but the light gathering power will be a bit less and the magnification will be lower than an 80 mm scope with the same eyepiece.
It is possible to buy a good scope for less money if you do not go to the top of the range with low-dispersion (ED) glass lenses. Opticron make some like this.
I suggest you visit a dealer or two, try some out and ask their advice. I do not know anything about dealers in London, but here are a couple of websites to have a look at. Cleyspy are in north Norfolk (at Cley) and are right next to prime bird watching land. Sherwoods are in Warwickshire and deal mostly in mail order although I have visited them to try equipment. They sell a lot of Opticron gear and usually offer fair prices.
http://www.cleyspy.co.uk/
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I use a spotting scope for shooting. I am fortunate to have a Leica which is a top of the range scope that my Dad bought for me. You do get what you pay for. For example without a 75 or 80mm object lens you cannot determine bullet holes in paper targets at 100 yards in conditions of mirage on a hot summer's day. Extra low dispersion glass is also worth having and is necessary to see colours well at distance such as bird's feathers. Before my Leica I had an Opticron top of the range 80mm model which I thought was perfectly adequate for my needs but I would not have wanted to go any smaller. You also have to decide on the eye end of things and most scope suppliers have a different range of lenses from fixed focal length to zoom lenses for the eyepieces.

Weight may be a factor as 80mm scopes and eyepieces and a tripod will weigh a bit. If its too heavy then you'll have to go down to the 60mm range.
 

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If you can get to Rutland Water for the annual Birdfair (August 21-23) you would be able to see and test all makes, sizes and price ranges in the correct environment with loads of advice thrown in.

The RSPB have various open days around the country at different times but none are as big as the Birdfair.
 

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I have an Opticron, which I have always been pleased with ..... until ... only last week, I had a blimp through a Swarovski. The clarity and brightness of the image was absolutely stunning. Like all optics, without exception, you get what you pay fair. But to emphasise the last post: When it comes to buying 'scopes or binoculars, there is no substitute for going and seeing for yourself in the field. Users' requirements vary from one person to the next, and something as simple as the comfort of the eyepiece can make the difference. Birdfair would be an excellent opportunity, whilst the larger RSPB reserves with shops often have their own view before you buy facilities.

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I have an Opticron, which I have always been pleased with ..... until ... only last week, I had a blimp through a Swarovski. The clarity and brightness of the image was absolutely stunning. Like all optics, without exception, you get what you pay fair. But to emphasise the last post: When it comes to buying 'scopes or binoculars, there is no substitute for going and seeing for yourself in the field. Users' requirements vary from one person to the next, and something as simple as the comfort of the eyepiece can make the difference. Birdfair would be an excellent opportunity, whilst the larger RSPB reserves with shops often have their own view before you buy facilities.
Wish I hadn't seen this :LOL::LOL:! My dear wife pole-axed my trusty but ancient Nikon ED50 a few weeks ago and with the resultant dent near the objective the image quality has gone west. I've been looking to buy a second hand Opticron or older Kowa but I've just seen a Swarovski 65HD for sale and I have to decide whether it's worth that huge pile of dosh!

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I have to decide whether it's worth that huge pile of dosh
- compared to a motorhome???
How many hours' worth of pleasure will you get from it (no rude comments chaps please), and what price per hour will that work out to?
 
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- compared to a motorhome???
How many hours' worth of pleasure will you get from it (no rude comments chaps please), and what price per hour will that work out to?

On the beach with Chris I suspect you will both get many hours of pleasure. :LOL:

Before you are both arrested of course ;):whistle:

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- compared to a motorhome???
How many hours' worth of pleasure will you get from it (no rude comments chaps please), and what price per hour will that work out to?
Anything's cheap compared to a motorhome! It's only down the road from me so I'll go and have a look at it.
 

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Anything's cheap compared to a motorhome! It's only down the road from me so I'll go and have a look at it.
Good scopes hold their value if looked after so a good investment.
Joyce has the Swarovski ATS65 HD which is a little lighter to carry than my ATS80 HD, both are fitted with 20-60x zoom eyepieces and give brilliant clear images.
 

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This ones the same as Joyce has, the eyepiece is 25-50W and it comes with a stay on case. Incidentally what tripod head do you use? I need to get a new one anyway.

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Check out the likes of "In Focus" for their test dates and venues, have a good look at all the marques before deciding. The so called Alpha (read expensive) models are very expensive, my last two Leicas were bought used. Optics of this quality are usually cherished and well looked after so used will enable you to buy better models for less. As others the bigger the objective lense the better, mine are Televid 77 the numbers refer to diameter of the objective lens, I prefer a 25 to 60 zoom though have others I hardly use.
 
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This ones the same as Joyce has, the eyepiece is 25-50W and it comes with a stay on case. Incidentally what tripod head do you use? I need to get a new one anyway.
25-50W is a wide angle eyepiece.
As it already has a case that's fine although not necessary.
We have Manfrotto 128RC heads on Manfrotto 190MFV carbon tripods.

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I've been a very naughty boy, just come home with a Swarovski 65HD ATS. It's about 7 years old but immaculate, what image clarity!
This is not much use to the OP I know but it all comes down to budget, whatever you spend in the end you must be happy with it.
 

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I've been a very naughty boy, just come home with a Swarovski 65HD ATS. It's about 7 years old but immaculate, what image clarity!
This is not much use to the OP I know but it all comes down to budget, whatever you spend in the end you must be happy with it.
(y)You won't regret it!

Did you get an eyepiece with it?
 

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(y)You won't regret it!

Did you get an eyepiece with it?
Yes, the 25-50x W eye-piece and a stay on case. I also bought a Manfrotto 500 Pro Fluid Video Head with Flat Base from WEX.

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I have an Opticron, which I have always been pleased with ..... until ... only last week, I had a blimp through a Swarovski. The clarity and brightness of the image was absolutely stunning. Like all optics, without exception, you get what you pay fair. But to emphasise the last post: When it comes to buying 'scopes or binoculars, there is no substitute for going and seeing for yourself in the field. Users' requirements vary from one person to the next, and something as simple as the comfort of the eyepiece can make the difference. Birdfair would be an excellent opportunity, whilst the larger RSPB reserves with shops often have their own view before you buy facilities.

Seconded, we have a KOWA TSN and thought it was the bees knees till we were invited to look at a surf scoter half a mile off the beach at Titchwell through a Swarowski ATX 95 I think it was............Wow..............I can see why that cost nearly £3K. Stunning clarity and the colour representation through drizzle was just amazing. Mrs BB and me have promised ourselves one...............when the Lottery comes up.
In answer to the OP, you get what you pay for in optics and @icantremember #2, 8 and 17 say it all really.(y)
 

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I've been a very naughty boy, just come home with a Swarovski 65HD ATS. It's about 7 years old but immaculate, what image clarity!
This is not much use to the OP I know but it all comes down to budget, whatever you spend in the end you must be happy with it.

Lucky bugger!(y) Envy!:envy:...................................:D

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