Whenever we see a toad/car trailer we always shout
"BUY A CARAVAN !!!"
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It keeps us happy on long journeys.
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Whenever we see a toad/car trailer we always shout
"BUY A CARAVAN !!!"
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It keeps us happy on long journeys.
because sometimes i dont need to tow anything to get away,with a caravan i would always need to tow it,when i use my motorhome for wilding on a beach in the uk i do not need my toad, if i owned a caravan it would restrict me to where i could park up.It does seem obvious if you have to tow anything why not a big spacious caravan with a big spacious car to get around in when you've arrived.
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It does seem obvious if you have to tow anything why not a big spacious caravan with a big spacious car to get around in when you've arrived.
Number 1 Non option is to sell our motor home and by a yogurt carton on wheels which I would absolutely Hate driving/towing.
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I never asked any body to justify anything. When I do something the only person I justify it to is myself. I never ask nor feel the need to justify to anybody.Why not a caravan ? Do we really have to justify why we don't want a caravan ? I wouldn't have a caravan full stop. I hate the things !
There are those among us who are educated enough to decide what we want and what we want to spend our hard earnt on.
If we then decide we want to make things more pleasant or easier when we are away by adding a wee car into the mix then why not ? Our needs are determined by my wife's disability which means to get the best out of our somewhat expensive investment I/we are looking into options. Number 1 option is a wee car on an A frame.
Number 1 Non option is to sell our motor home and by a yogurt carton on wheels which I would absolutely Hate driving/towing.
The OP of this thread asks about Aframes and / or trailers. Not caravans..
My apologies but I find it somewhat patronising when its pointed out I/we made the wrong decision. We did not. We may have underestimated the deterioration in my wife's condition which is forcing my hand to sort transport out while we are away. But then I don't have a crystal ball.
In short I sort out transport or our much loved MH will have to go. Be assured it will never be replaced by a blooming caravan.
Also consider.... Whether we are right or wrong on these A frame devices. I still maintain they are FAR less likely to be involved in an adverse situation than a wee car on an A frame. How many times have I seen caravans spread over 3 lanes of the motorways or upside down in a ditch ? Well I do many miles so its one heck of a lot. Have I ever seen or even heard of a situation with an A frame ? Not once.. Honestly not seen one or even heard one.
I never asked any body to justify anything. When I do something the only person I justify it to is myself. I never ask nor feel the need to justify to anybody.
I bought a motorhome to get rid of towing ...my choice, if that's patronising or questioning decisions then so be it.
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It is in excellent conditon, Iwill try and post some pics when I can take some!Tis a good price if ok .
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It IS posted in the classifieds, and yes it is the model as discussed earlier.
Cheers, Dave
It IS posted in the classifieds, and yes it is the model as discussed earlier.
Cheers, Dave
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With videos like the above there is more likelihood of them being banned outright than any chance of acceptance.Mmmm it's hard not to speak though.
Let's face it this is s subject we are never going to agree on.
When I say I don't give a monkeys I mean I don't give a monkeys what other people do ir think. If I decide to buy and use an A frame then that's what I will do.
Anyone who dismisses the paper work supplied with certain devices is completely missing the point. The paperwork is actually very comprehensive and any company supplying it could be held responsible if something within it is incorrect .
That could prove one hell of an expensive sales pitch.
Look at it another way .
IF these things were entirely accepted on every level would more use them ? Would arguments still continue ? Well look closely at the documentation and we have those assurances already so a self answering question .
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That on its own should be enough to ban them. Utterly ridiculous !
The fact that anyone could even make a video believing that to be
" reversing under control" would ensure that I kept well away from them. It is just shunting something backwards with some iron bolted to the front of a what was a passable car & is now an unsellable piece of scrap.
I wouldn't even look at any car with a view to buying if it had ever been dragged about like that.
The tyres are ruined first time the above is done. The wheel bearings & attached subframe points were never designed for side loading like that.
The A frame was invented to remove disabled vehicles to a place of safety quickly. It attached to the steering arms either side &with ignition unlocked the wheels were steered , not dragged all over the place like that is with the attachments on points not meant for it.
They are not A frames ,just triangulated frames attached to points that were not designed for that purpose.
With videos like the above there is more likelihood of them being banned outright than any chance of acceptance.
You'd stand a slight chance of EU acceptance if they were actually connected to ,& steered, the front wheels like a proper A frame.
Someone else mentioned that some firms modify sub frames & even replace cross members with modified ones. Well that would negate any Certificate of Conformity that any newish vehicles had. In fact it would probably require a new SVA or whatever it is called now.
As for "anyone heard of any accidents/incidents " well there aren't going to be many owning up to pulling the front off of a car. We did have someone a while back who pointed out that the front of his Ka parted company shortly after an mot.& that was a toad. Then you get people saying that the Ka "isn't the best 'toad' " as the front chassis has a tendency to fracture. YES of course it does it wasn't ,along with all the others, designed to be dragged along freewheeling & pushed backwards with the wheels askew.
Apart from that point.......Not going to do the car any good forcing it round a corner with the steering lock going the other way.
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Thats fine....the UK doesnt really have any aires.Cant use aires with caravans .
Yes it can....but not in a legal manner.the video proves it can be done (very badly).
Anyone remember the Yamaha FS1E? It had to be fitted with pedals to comply as a moped that did over 30mph. I wish there was some video of them being pedalled lol, like when I had to to prove to plod that I was in charge of a moped and not a motorcycle (16yr old)!
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Thats fine....the UK doesnt really have any aires.
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Possibly but if the overrun coupling is set up correctly, reverse loads that are imposed gently will allow the gas damper to shorten and not operate the brake.Yes it can....but not in a legal manner.
Exerpt from Gov.uk website
(Quote)
From 1 October 1988 the
inertia braking system was required to allow the trailer to be reversed by the towing vehicle without imposing a sustained drag and such devices used for this purpose must engage and disengage
automatically. This will be very difficult to achieve on an “A” frame using an inertia (overrun) device.
(Unquote)
The wheels being in the opposite lock will impose an unacceptable sustained drag.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-frames-and-dollies
Possibly but if the overrun coupling is set up correctly, reverse loads that are imposed gently will allow the gas damper to shorten and not operate the brake.
Even so, the Police do not have any equipment to measure the drag so unless the outfit is subject to very technical testing the issue cannot be proved. There is no regulation as to how far the reverse manoeuvre is to be performed. The opposite lock drag would obviously fail a visual test as the wheels do not rotate but as said originally, only a complete idiot would treat the toad so roughly. Reversing a couple of feet would satisfy the legal bit and not turn the wheels or lock/drag the brakes.
As others have said, the legal status is debatable but as it has not been tested in court, the U.K. Stance is that it cannot be illegal unless there is a law to say so.
As others have said, the legal status is debatable but as it has not been tested in court, the U.K. Stance is that it cannot be illegal unless there is a law to say so.
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The reason a tow dolly (ambulance) is not legal is because the 'trailer' must have all wheels braked if fitted. Putting the non braked dolly under either end of the car being towed reduces the braked wheels at best to 2 of them (assuming an electrical or inertia system is used).BTW. US Style "tow dollys" are completely reversible!. I know, I brought a Rental car from Florida to Texas on a "U-Haul" one, Behind the R-V when we Bought It!, It is also IMHO an even better device than an "A" frame but has been judged as "legal only for the recovery of disabled vehicles" by the Courts Circa 1975ish.
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The reason a tow dolly (ambulance) is not legal is because the 'trailer' must have all wheels braked if fitted. Putting the non braked dolly under either end of the car being towed reduces the braked wheels at best to 2 of them (assuming an electrical or inertia system is used).
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