A frames update May 2018 gov. UK

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  1. Ambilkate

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    What’s the change then Kate? I don’t know what the rule was before .
     
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    No changes really. Essentially the updated document clarifies the braking requirements for A-frames, and confirms that the advice provided relates solely to vehicle construction and use requirements. (y)
     
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    Whoever did the spelling/grammar proof-reading for that revised note before they published it should get the sack.

    The note now seems stronger than before on the "this is only probably legal within the UK; other countries laws are different" message.
     
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    Does it not imply that vehicles with ESC or AEB cannot be A framed as they will not operate?
     
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    Same guy who wrote the opening lines for Startrek.
     
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    I thought that at first read - but if true there would be little point in their clarification because it would exclude all current cars being used as a toad.
     
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    I cant see any other way to see it. It implies that the car braking should work as intended, and AEB and ESC wont when being towed.
    Strange that it doesnt mention ABS
     
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    Hi
    Very interesting Ambilkate, thank you.
    Regards
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    Unsurprisingly the clarification raises more questions than it answers :).
     
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    Useful clarification of the law in the UK - now if we can only get those idiots in Europe to agree!!
     
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    They have agreed.
    They've almost all agreed right across mainland Europe.
    They've agreed that it is illegal to tow one road vehicle on it's road wheels with another on their roads.

    The one set of idiots in a part of Europe that still hasn't quite yet definitively banned the practice is .... the UK;)
     
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    It begs the question as to why they would update the advice , one has to ask is it in preparation to take moves to get a stated case , to effectively ban , as Brexit will cause UK needing to sign and ratify
    Vienna Convention on Road Traffic , which they have yet to do .
     
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    uk might not ever sign it. havnt so far. it really started before the eu and even before uk joined the eec.
    best we dont sign and tell the rest of europe to go away.
     
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    What's an A Frame ?
     
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    There are two Vienna Conventions, one concerning traffic and the earlier 1961 one concerning diplomatic relations. I think they sometimes get confused. We are not the only Eoropean nation that has not ratified the traffic one.
     
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    Have you ever towed a car with an electronically braked A Frame?
     
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    No it's not.

    It's a clarification of their interpretation of current trailer legislation and how they're guessing it applies to these devices.

    The law can't be clarified by the government, only by the court. (Parliament is technically a court)
     
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    I’m curious to understand the flaws that you found.

    Can you enlighten us (me)?

    Ian
     
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