Not sure if this has been posted before...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-27810273
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-27810273
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"If they want to ignore the court process and not pay their fines, we will go back to the courts to get an injunction, [HI]and I will go as far as seizing their vehicles[/HI]."
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Point of clarification. The man making the statement "If they want to ignore the court process and not pay their fines, we will go back to the courts to get an injunction, and I will go as far as seizing their vehicles." was a councillor (politician) not an employee of the council.All very interesting but one statement stands out like a sore thumb..
Oh no he won't !
Such action has already been deemed draconian and illegal within EU countries
A test case was brought against the French police a few years ago who were seizing motorcycles from German and Brit riders when caught speeding.
Someone took the matter to Strasbourg and the ruling was very clear.
The 'punishment' exceeded that which was the maximum allowed for the offence and was therefore illegal..
Matey tries to seize motorhomes for a parking fine and he could end up bankrupting the council he works for with legal fees
Don't get me wrong, not being a local resident I cannot comment on the rights and wrongs of the situation ( other than to say Woman and I would not visit the area unless it was absolutely necessary ) ... I merely point out that the man making that statement is someone who likes to pontificate and make wild statements. His employers would be well minded to reign in his verbalisations to the press !!
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They have been using the carpark as a permanent camp site with some staying the whole of the summer , and others stopping the winter , one was running a car repair shop from there, emptying of cassette's in the dunes and all the rubbish left, night barriers have been put in place 3 times now to stop this but once erected that are destroyed
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They should take away the barriers, install ticket machines and reclassify it as a paying parking area, then make some money out of them.
Bit like what they do in other countries. In France they are called aires...........
Allan
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How does clamping, and towing cars away for parking come into this then, that's only a parking fine surely, no difference that I can see
Does Lincolnshire not have any sites where they can pay and stay or do they have an aversion to [HI]paying for site services.[/HI]
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They have been using the carpark as a permanent camp site with some staying the whole of the summer , and others stopping the winter , one was running a car repair shop from there, emptying of cassette's in the dunes and all the rubbish left, hight barriers have been put in place 3 times now to stop this but once erected that are destroyed
it is not about paying or not paying its about discrimination, [HI]if you park there in a car its free if parking in a motorhome its illegal[/HI]?? Get real and see the discrimination.
So some are parking all summer and some all winter so where do they go to buy their food, do their washing etc., someone locally must be making money from them or is that conveniently forgotten. [HI]If fulltimers can park for free why would they not.[/HI] If I want to park up and fish all night then kayak during the day on other days how is that wrong? why can I not step out of my motorhome and use the amenity. Why should I have to drag my kayak a mile to beach just because I don't have a car. Discrimination is what is at the back of it. If some are dumping their waste in the dunes then maybe it is time facilities to dump were provided it would cost less than the legal bills and height barrier replacement. Just because not all motorhomers are gypsies should not mean we don't have certain rights [HI]We all pay taxes and council tax, water bills at home why should we pay twice.[/HI]
The are people who don't use sites so as to avoid people or to be in a certain place it does mot make us all freeloading tossers and I for one am getting pig sick of the accusation from people who stay on sites all the time for no other reason than they think it somehow demeaning to wildcamp/wild park or whatever.
Time I registered as a gypsy though a bloodline I will in time remember then this discrimination will end
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Sounds outrageous. That's not motorhoming is it?
[HI]You'd think there'd be some way of specifying a maximum stay (e.g. 2 nights in any fourteen) and then enforcing that rigidly.
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As OP have rightly said, it just spoils it for the 99% of motorhomers who wouldn't dream of behaving in such a way.
it is not about paying or not paying its about discrimination, if you park there in a car its free if parking in a motorhome its illegal?? Get real and see the discrimination.
So some are parking all summer and some all winter so where do they go to buy their food, do their washing etc., someone locally must be making money from them or is that conveniently forgotten. If fulltimers can park for free why would they not. If I want to park up and fish all night then kayak during the day on other days how is that wrong? why can I not step out of my motorhome and use the amenity. Why should I have to drag my kayak a mile to beach just because I don't have a car. Discrimination is what is at the back of it. If some are dumping their waste in the dunes then maybe it is time facilities to dump were provided it would cost less than the legal bills and height barrier replacement. Just because not all motorhomers are gypsies should not mean we don't have certain rights We all pay taxes and council tax, water bills at home why should we pay twice.
The are people who don't use sites so as to avoid people or to be in a certain place it does mot make us all freeloading tossers and I for one am getting pig sick of the accusation from people who stay on sites all the time for no other reason than they think it somehow demeaning to wildcamp/wild park or whatever.
Time I registered as a gypsy though a bloodline I will in time remember then this discrimination will end
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not paying twice does apply to CL's, however it is not a free carpark and hence no discrimination against motorhomes who pay a measly £7 for the facilities and space I provide.Two points Roger.
1. It's habitation not parking.
2. Does the parking for free and not paying twice apply to CLs as well?
Tongue firmly in cheek I hasten to add
Nice if it could happen but I think LCC has already considered it. However, money would only be made if the cost of installing the infrastructure, managing collection of charges and managing the behaviour of the users were low enough.
it is not about paying or not paying its about discrimination, if you park there in a car its free if parking in a motorhome its illegal?? Get real and see the discrimination.
So some are parking all summer and some all winter so where do they go to buy their food, do their washing etc., someone locally must be making money from them or is that conveniently forgotten. If fulltimers can park for free why would they not. If I want to park up and fish all night then kayak during the day on other days how is that wrong? why can I not step out of my motorhome and use the amenity. Why should I have to drag my kayak a mile to beach just because I don't have a car. Discrimination is what is at the back of it. If some are dumping their waste in the dunes then maybe it is time facilities to dump were provided it would cost less than the legal bills and height barrier replacement. Just because not all motorhomers are gypsies should not mean we don't have certain rights We all pay taxes and council tax, water bills at home why should we pay twice.
The are people who don't use sites so as to avoid people or to be in a certain place it does mot make us all freeloading tossers and I for one am getting pig sick of the accusation from people who stay on sites all the time for no other reason than they think it somehow demeaning to wildcamp/wild park or whatever.
Time I registered as a gypsy though a bloodline I will in time remember then this discrimination will end
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I have no idea of the figures but, hopefully, the cost of maintaining barriers will be less long term than the cost of dealing with the illegal campers on an ongoing basis.It's not always about making money ( except in the UK of course) but saving it. I wonder how much money the council has already wasted with renewal of barriers, cleaning up, legal fees, councillors expenses etc etc etc.
it's this countries narrow minded views and aversion to people actually going out and enjoying theirselves that help lead to situations like this.
Allan
Exactly Roger. Your land and you decide what can and cannot be done and the cost. The same principle applies to Huttoft's owner, LCC.not paying twice does apply to CL's, however it is not a free carpark and hence no discrimination against motorhomes who pay a measly £7 for the facilities and space I provide.
It doesn't have to make sense. There are all sorts of legislative provisions about which people could say the same - because they seek to provide for the overall public interest not for every single individual.The habitation or parking does not make sense to me either. When in my car I inhabit it and do the same with my motorhome.
All very nice in theory but the reports over the years demonstrate that too many of the people involved do not act in that manner.I am aware of the need to keep within the van and leave nothing but footprints behind. It would be unusual for me to stay two nights in the same place let alone a week so maybe I'm not typical.
What is the biggie about habitation anyway, I'd much rather see motorhomes than a bunch of louts in a carpark or doggers in a layby.
As long as waste (of any sort) is disposed of responsibly I don't see a problem. Legislation needs to penalise those who dump irresponsibly rather than everyone.
Those points might well be true but not relevant to the specific argument. Their solutions are for other discussions.What law is there that says I must give someone a living, I'm retired and done with that. I buy what I need where I need it same as I do at home. It is not my job to decide who's income needs topping up only to get the best value for my diminishing wealth.
Fulltimers are on the whole dodging a lot of taxes and have less outgoings than most of us, however we are not all fulltimers and a lot more taxes are evaded by immigrants, ladies of the night and large companies. Not to mention the squandering of public resources by elected officials via fraudulent expense claims. It would appear freeloading tossers carry the blame for everything that's wrong in this country.
The problem is its the wrong bunch of freeloading snout in the trough tossers.
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