4.5t chasis

[tomlowry07]

Hi All, Can i expect to pay more on insurance and tax if i go down the 4.5t route?
Ta Tom

 

[Larby]

Go to 4.5 tonne from what?

 

[tomlowry07]

3.5

 

[Larby]

You will get cheaper road tax !! as lower band of HGV and insurance my not alter.
Most important thing is having C1 on your driving licence

 

[tomlowry07]

ok ta, got C1 , i,m old.

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[Kingham]

When I up-plated to 4500kg, I told my insurer (Comfort) and it made no difference to the cost.

 

[Boringfrog]

That's a big increase, what van?

 

[tomlowry07]

Another question, ....considering new motorhome. merc 418 chasis 4.5 . Is suspension and undercarriage stronger than 314 , 3.5 tonne. or is it just paperwork. Can this be done retrospectively? as its quite a bit more cash for the 418.

 

[138go]

Just means you won't be overloaded like a majority of the 3.5t Motorhomes are

 

[tomlowry07]

so is it just paperwork, nothing extra on a 4,5t suspension etc?

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[peterc10]

so is it just paperwork, nothing extra on a 4,5t suspension etc?

No it is normally not just a paperwork exercise to get to 4.5t. You usually need the heavy Fiat or Alko chassis, larger wheels and uprated suspension Not sure with a Merc though.

 

[tonka]

Never seems to make a difference on insurance..
Postcode and value of the van are the factors that affect the price...
Never, ever seen or had an insurance company even ask the weight.
Also it makes no difference when using ferry's or the tunnel. However toll roads it will.

 

[funflair]

Isn't a 418 on twin rear wheel axle? I would expect a difference to carry an extra 1000kg.

Martin

 

[Lenny HB]

Insurers never ask the weight.
With a Fiat 3.5t, 3850 is the max after that it's the Maxi chassis.
Some of the older Mercs you could got up to 4t but the new FWD is a bit of an unknown beast. The 3.5 can go up to 3880, they also do a 4430, I suspect that will have upgraded springs and shockers.

 

[tonyidle]

Insurers never ask the weight.
With a Fiat 3.5t, 3850 is the max after that it's the Maxi chassis.
Some of the older Mercs you could got up to 4t but the new FWD is a bit of an unknown beast. The 3.5 can go up to 3880, they also do a 4430, I suspect that will have upgraded springs and shockers.

My 2012 Merc is 5.3T twin wheels. It's like a small truck underneath .

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[Lenny HB]

My 2012 Merc is 5.3T twin wheels. It's like a small truck underneath .

Tom is looking at a Hymer which is FWD.

 

[Electraglide]

Malibu charge £450 ish to upgrade chassis from 3500kgs to 4000kgs on a Fiat pvc. What do you get, stronger springs I would expect but are the brakes and clutch different?

 

[funflair]

Tom is looking at a Hymer which is FWD.

Missed that important bit of information,

must try harder

Martin

 

[Lenny HB]

Malibu charge £450 ish to upgrade chassis from 3500kgs to 4000kgs on a Fiat pvc. What do you get, stronger springs I would expect but are the brakes and clutch different?

Probably a down plated maxi chassis quite a few PVC are built on the maxi running at 3500.

 

[Lenny HB]

Missed that important bit of information,

must try harder

Martin

That's because he didn't mention it but I know what he is up to.

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[tomlowry07]

did u go 4.5 lenny?

 

[pappajohn]

Regarding C1... You say you're old, but how old.
Don't forget, at 70 you're at the whim and mercy of DVLA as to whether you keep C1 or not.

Edit.... Just had a look and you have a few years yet

 

[gus-lopez]

Another question, ....considering new motorhome. merc 418 chasis 4.5 . Is suspension and undercarriage stronger than 314 , 3.5 tonne. or is it just paperwork. Can this be done retrospectively? as its quite a bit more cash for the 418.

Is there a difference ,yes,The first number "3" denotes weight category so 314 can be up to around 3850
"4" as in 416, denotes 4 tonne range &can be up to 4850 ,I believe .might be a tad more.
"5" the 5 Tonne range. Explained to me by a German merc lad.

 

[Lenny HB]

did u go 4.5 lenny?

Yep I'm on a 4.5t Fiat.

 

[Lenny HB]

Regarding C1... You say you're old, but how old.
Don't forget, at 70 you're at the whim and mercy of DVLA as to whether you keep C1 or not.

Edit.... Just had a look and you have a few years yet

He is a youngster compared to us lot.

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[SuperMike]

4.5t.

 

[Lenny HB]

4.5t.

 

[tomlowry07]

so i presume a 4.5t can be downplated to 3.5t should prospective buyer not have C1 ?

Costly?

 

[tacr2man]

Down plate is a paper exercise most cases, as its the penalty of overloading that you face not a physical limit . Mines 8.6 tonne down at 7490 for various reasons. (still 2.5 tonne payload )

 

[Lenny HB]

so i presume a 4.5t can be downplated to 3.5t should prospective buyer not have C1 ?

Costly?

Yes but you would have very little payload so probably wouldn't be drivable legally.
Cost,the price of weighbridge ticket and new plate. Don't need to get an engineer involved for downplating.

P.S. Dougie is looking a bit sorry for himself in your avatar.

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