3PSMF tyres - Crossclimate, or Crossclimate Camping?

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I need new tyres. I'm keen to get 3PMSF all-season ones and Michelin Crossclimate seem to fit the bill. But I've noticed that they also make Crossclimate Camping tyres. Do these provide significant benefits over and above the normal Crossclimate tyres?
 
Camping tyres have stronger side walls which suit motorhomes which are normally always heavy compared to vans which can either be empty, part full or full and motorhomes tend to stand at their higher wights when vans tend to be left empty.
 
Camping tyres have stronger side walls which suit motorhomes which are normally always heavy compared to vans which can either be empty, part full or full and motorhomes tend to stand at their higher wights when vans tend to be left empty.
Good to know, thank you!
 
Just my opinion as well but I also need tyres next year and will be going for Cross Climate CP tyres.
Although many on hear will successfully fit van tyres of various makes I have decided to go for a CP due , as mentioned above, to their construction for a motorhome.
Heavy construction not only for long periods of standing at max weight but also for stability in crosswinds and cornering stability.
This does not mean a van tyre is not suitable but it does mean I will have extra peace of mind.

I need 5.
Cross Climates are directional so I'm going to have my spare fitted as correct for nearside rotation. That being the most probable side where a puncture may happen.
My local tyre shop will not fit a van tyre where the recommended pressure is greater than 60psi.

I need to check what facts or regs they base this on.

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My local tyre shop will not fit a van tyre where the recommended pressure is greater than 60psi.

I need to check what facts or regs they base this on.
I would be asking elsewhere as they don’t know what they are talking about, the manufacturers recommended tyre pressure for the rear wheels on a Peugeot Boxer or Fiat based van is 65psi.
 
As far as I know Michelin have always quoted higher than 60PSI for their camping tyres, our van has Michelin Agilis CP tyres and are "supposed" to be inflated to 79PSI all round. I do not adhere to that pressure especially on the front axel.
Any Michelin CP Tyre supplier would know that the recommended pressure would be higher than 60PSI,especially on the rear axel, I would have thought, they are built for it after all and have metal tyre valves in most cases because of the higher pressures.
LES
 
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My local tyre shop will not fit a van tyre where the recommended pressure is greater than 60psi.
Not so sure he knows what he talking about... plenty vans out there with van tyres with makers recommended pressures above 60psi.
 
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Just my opinion as well but I also need tyres next year and will be going for Cross Climate CP tyres.
Although many on hear will successfully fit van tyres of various makes I have decided to go for a CP due , as mentioned above, to their construction for a motorhome.
Heavy construction not only for long periods of standing at max weight but also for stability in crosswinds and cornering stability.
This does not mean a van tyre is not suitable but it does mean I will have extra peace of mind.

I need 5.
Cross Climates are directional so I'm going to have my spare fitted as correct for nearside rotation. That being the most probable side where a puncture may happen.
My local tyre shop will not fit a van tyre where the recommended pressure is greater than 60psi.

I need to check what facts or regs they base this on.

I recently had Michelin Cross Climate Camping tyres fitted to my Hymer, which is rated at 4.25 tons. The tyre side walls are embossed with max inflation of 69psi.
I contacted Michelin to query why they recommend 80psi but state 69psi on the tyre sidewall. They stated that the rear tyre pressure should be 80psi regardless of what was embossed on the tyre. I have the rear inflated to 80psi and the front to 65psi.

Michelin pointed me to this page on their website: Michelin Camping tyres

BTW I am more than happy with the new tyres; the van seems to drive a lot quieter and smoother than with the old tyres, which were 8 years old, and I do not regret the purchase.
 
Etyres are doing Continental all season tyres from £114 depending on size, came out tops in recent tests Michelin 3rd Maxxis 4th ( thats the full 3Pmsf tyres )
 
Etyres are doing Continental all season tyres from £114 depending on size, came out tops in recent tests Michelin 3rd Maxxis 4th ( thats the full 3Pmsf tyres )
Continental Four seasons 121 load rated are the tyre of choice for N+B, Morelo, Concorde and Phoenix vans plated at just under 7500kg, maximum axle loading on a single tyre set up is 2900kg at 83 psi.
 
Checked my Michelin Agilis Camper tyres over this weekend and all four have radial cracking Near the rims. Only just over 4 years old.
I have been researching replacements with the 3 PMSF symbols.
The favourite at the moment are Continental FourSeasons 2 .
5 x 225/75/R16 come out at £980 fitted.
Going to give my local guy a call in the morning and see if he can better the online price.
 
Can't comment on the camping version, but have had Crossclimates for a couple of years and really happy with them.

I run them at 55psi, they grip really well on all terrains (including wet grass) and still look brand new.

I wish they did them to suit our next van (Vario, 7.5t), but no such luck. Maybe then I wouldn't be so upset at likely having to spend £250 per tyre for something probably not as good as we currently have on our Boxer.

PS - Need 7 tyres for the Vario :doh:

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I wouldn't fit CP tyres only useful if you want a bo eshaking rock hard ride.
I got rid of the Michelin CP tyres well before there were worn out and fitted Toyo Observe Van. The ride, handling & grip is so much better.
 
Just my opinion as well but I also need tyres next year and will be going for Cross Climate CP tyres.
Although many on hear will successfully fit van tyres of various makes I have decided to go for a CP due , as mentioned above, to their construction for a motorhome.
Heavy construction not only for long periods of standing at max weight but also for stability in crosswinds and cornering stability.
This does not mean a van tyre is not suitable but it does mean I will have extra peace of mind.

I need 5.
Cross Climates are directional so I'm going to have my spare fitted as correct for nearside rotation. That being the most probable side where a puncture may happen.
My local tyre shop will not fit a van tyre where the recommended pressure is greater than 60psi.

I need to check what facts or regs they base this on.
But the tyres I quoted are available in 10 ply. No need to pay for cross climates if mich alpins or Toyo observe are available in 10 ply
 
We have the Michelin Cross climates and are very happy with them. Worry a little about the rotation fitted on the spare. Not sure if it’s safe to drive with the wrong rotation for any distance.
 
We have the Michelin Cross climates and are very happy with them. Worry a little about the rotation fitted on the spare. Not sure if it’s safe to drive with the wrong rotation for any distance.
I've considered this.
They do say get the tyre refitted as soon as possible but do not state any speed restrictions etc.
In reality is the tread that is the wrong way round so water clearance and therefore wet braking will be inferior etc.
But the basic construction of the tyre is the same so I don't see speed or stability being effected really. Heat input to the tyre may be higher due to tread shuffle.

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Checked my Michelin Agilis Camper tyres over this weekend and all four have radial cracking Near the rims. Only just over 4 years old.
I have been researching replacements with the 3 PMSF symbols.
The favourite at the moment are Continental FourSeasons 2 .
5 x 225/75/R16 come out at £980 fitted.
Going to give my local guy a call in the morning and see if he can better the online price.
grasscutter can you tell me where your quote was from as I shall need 5 new tyres before the new travelling season gets under way. Who is your "local" guy as I'm not a massive distance away?
 
Well it seems my hopes have been dashed, just had an email from the tyre fitter saying that Michelin crossclimate camping 3PMSF tyres are not available. Time to investigate alternatives. I'm looking at you, Conti 4 seasons...
 
It seems Tyres like most things these days have shot up in price, I found this quote for Conti 4 seasons 225/75 R16 with 121 load rating on My Tyres.
LES
 
It seems Tyres like most things these days have shot up in price, I found this quote for Conti 4 seasons 225/75 R16 with 121 load rating on My Tyres.
LES
£!99 at Adsa Tyres Les 121 Rating £191 at E tyres Fitted
 
Rather confusingly there are two different versions of Continental 3PMSF tyre, there is the "VancoFourSeasons 2" and the "Vancontact 4 Seasons" the FourSeasons 2 is the one that we have and I believe are the original Continental 3PMSF tyre, they are both 10 ply 121 rated in the 225 75 16 size but the treads are different, the FourSeasons 2 is a bit more blocky so not as fuel efficient but possibly better grip on mud and grass.
 
I went round in circles looking for a replacement for Michelin tyres we had and went for Maxxis van all season tyres. Provide you understand what your loadings are there should be no problems. There are loads of threads on tyres if you use the search button!

I have had the Maxxis tyres for a 1 year and am very happy with them.
 
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E Tyres have a massive £20 off if you buy 4 Conti Vanco 4 season 225/75 R16 121 rating tyres with Xmas discount code: Xmas20.
£200.80 each, less £20 for 4 fully fitted at your home.
Don't all rush at once, will ya?:giggle:
PS: I wonder if they would fit metal valve stems?, maybe its only the Michelins that need them due to the higher PSI they are inflated at, but I have heard that some tyre places don't carry them in stock as standard, so might be worth asking before the fitter turns up, if needed of course. Anyone with Conti's fitted have metal valve stems I wonder?
LES

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