2007 Fiat 3 litre manual any issues known (1 Viewer)

Jun 30, 2011
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Considering a van with this set up, the van is a 2008 but the van was built in 2007, is it considered a reliable unit, is the there anything to look out for?

Reverse judder, I need to reverse it as I have a few 3 litre manuals from 10 years ago had this, in fact I know one chap who sold his because it was so bad and Fiat denied everything.?

Any thing else to check or look out for, obviously service records, anything in particular?
 
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Well that`s our 13th year & still loving it.
The 3 ltr engine does indeed have the reverse judder,ours was a 2008 model, Fiat verified that my engine did indeed suffer from this problem but there was no fix for it, so I sold it.

Problem gone.
Also be careful as some of these Fiats hung around to be registered as late as 2012.
You need a Euro 6 engine to be safe.
 
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The 3 ltr engine does indeed have the reverse judder,ours was a 2008 model, Fiat verified that my engine did indeed suffer from this problem but there was no fix for it, so I sold it.

Problem gone.
Also be careful as some of these Fiats hung around to be registered as late as 2012.
You need a Euro 6 engine to be safe.


Yes well it was registered March 2008 on a 2008 plate reg so it is not Euro 6. It was built in 2007 so the Fiat engine is obviously a 2007 one too. I wonder what percentage of the early 3 litre ones had the judder, drive is steep so no good if judder present.

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Yes well it was registered March 2008 on a 2008 plate reg so it is not Euro 6. It was built in 2007 so the Fiat engine is obviously a 2007 one too. I wonder what percentage of the early 3 litre ones had the judder, drive is steep so no good if judder present.


All of them, they were all the same design built with the same parts so it was a design fault simple as that.
 

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the windscreen scuttle problem causes water to run onto the engine corroding the throttle body. also the clutch is undersized
 
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All of them, they were all the same design built with the same parts so it was a design fault simple as that.


Surely not, not everyone of the 2.3's juddered though did they?

Its a definite ''No'' if that's the case.

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Surely not, not everyone of the 2.3's juddered though did they?

Its a definite ''No'' if that's the case.


Yes all the 2.3 had the same problem, it was a design fault in the gearbox, the size of the reverse gear.
Fiat came up with a fix for the 2.3 but couldn`t with the 3ltr.

Think about it they all had the same gearbox with the same moving parts, so they all had the same problem.
 

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my 2008 3.0ltr didnt have a judder issue
 
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54000 on same clutch, will it be ready for a new one?

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54000 on same clutch, will it be ready for a new one?
on borrowed time probably. my last one exploded at about 30k and the specialist i dealt with said it was very common at that mileage
 
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So when did they change the running gear of the Fiat 3 litre, which year did they alter it to iron out the faults?
 
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Our 2009 5 ton tag has a vibration not a judder if I reverse on tick over never given us a problem we tow a car plenty of power very relaxed to drive.

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My 3litre has very slight judder but not to the point of annoying The clutch was replaced at 22000 miles as worn out (slipping) The DMF was ok ! judder still there but as I said not an issue for me
Be careful if changing fuel filter either by yourself or some independents that the correct tools and torques are used as they will distort if not done properly I must admit I keep new housing in van as spare anyway
My van is the 2007 Fiat Ducato Autotrail 840 with 24000miles and although like all MH,s they have there own faults my one I have been lucky that in 3 years no problems at all ! (probably put the mockers on that now)
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Yes all the 2.3 had the same problem, it was a design fault in the gearbox, the size of the reverse gear.
Fiat came up with a fix for the 2.3 but couldn`t with the 3ltr.

Think about it they all had the same gearbox with the same moving parts, so they all had the same problem.
That's not entirely true ... whilst the 2.3 were all built with the same engine/gearbox whether they suffered judder and if so to what extent depended on how the rest was put together - it didn't appear to have anything to do with the size of the vehicle as I know of van conversions and large coachbuilts that had the issue (MMM's Andy Stothert's PVC suffered greatly). This means the ONLY way to see if a vehicle has an issue is to give it a good test drive.
 
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That's not entirely true ... whilst the 2.3 were all built with the same engine/gearbox whether they suffered judder and if so to what extent depended on how the rest was put together - it didn't appear to have anything to do with the size of the vehicle as I know of van conversions and large coachbuilts that had the issue (MMM's Andy Stothert's PVC suffered greatly). This means the ONLY way to see if a vehicle has an issue is to give it a good test drive.


Not really certain what you are saying here, the 2.3 is the engine, now that 2.3 engine, the Euro 5 was indeed fitted to many different vehicles of different lengths, from what I remember of the time the 6 speed gearbox was the culprit, it was actually Andy Stothert`s campaign that finally got Fiat to recognise the fault.
Peugeot and Citroen had already accepted responsibility.

Despite some owners saying well we haven`t had any problems any vehicle fitted with a Euro 5 2.3 and 3 litre engines all suffered from the reverse judder which manifested itself when reversed up a steep hill or slippery surface.

There was no fault whilst driving the vehicle in a forward direction.

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Well that`s our 13th year & still loving it.
So when did they change the running gear of the Fiat 3 litre, which year did they alter it to iron out the faults?

Forget year of manufacture, you need to get to the Euro 6 engine to ensure you are safe from the reverse judder issue.
 
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We used to have a 2008 Fiat 2.3 manual based Adria and i never felt any judder whether reversing uphill or down dale
Ditto

We have a 2010 Adria 3.0l and have never had any judder problems and yes I do reverse up steep hills

Andy

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The 3 litres generally juddered less than the 2.3's. As I understand it there was a design change around 2009 denoted by the later vehicles having a red centre boss in the steering wheel not blue.

Our 2010 is just approach ing 60k with no issues apart from slight judder on steep hills.

Mind ypu , some motorhome drivers I see could kill even the strongest clutches.
Jon
 

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I've had two, a 2008 and a 2013. Neither was a problem but the 08 did have a slight vibration up hill in reverse but very slight and not something to concern me. Both at 5 tonnes which is a good test.

Both bought new so I know they had not been modified after production.
 

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Risking the wrath of those on here, I can't help but think that the clutch woes of the Fiat could, (I only said Could) be caused by peeps who drive the 'van like they do a car.
The difference of course is that the clutch on our vans is the space between an engine with loads of torque and a weight of somewhere between 3-5 Tonnes.
I am of the opinion that taking time when changing gear can alleviate a lot of stress in the clutch and gearbox generally

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I had a 2009 van on a 2008 built 3 ltr manual. I never experienced the reverse judder. I can't recall ever reversing up a steep slope, but nothing in everyday use. I had to change the bolts on the air filter housing, couldn't move them so drilled and replaced. I used to get a bit of a 'bump noise on starting, this was the gearbox mounting bushes when cold. Running great after 8 years when I sold it.
 

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Risking the wrath of those on here, I can't help but think that the clutch woes of the Fiat could, (I only said Could) be caused by peeps who drive the 'van like they do a car.
The difference of course is that the clutch on our vans is the space between an engine with loads of torque and a weight of somewhere between 3-5 Tonnes.
I am of the opinion that taking time when changing gear can alleviate a lot of stress in the clutch and gearbox generally
I am a very experienced driver and used to all manner of vehicles up to 7.5 tonne and have experienced clutch failure on older vehicles over the years but pretty rarely. my current 4x4 lasted 9 years of frequent heavy towing before wearing thin. the previous ducato motorhome, the clutch litterally exploded into pieces, which i saw when removed. the specialist garage i used, works on fleets of vans and other goods vehicles. their advice is this clutch is undersized and prone to earlier failure. in fact so common they keep spares on the shelf

its not down to driving technique, although it could exacerbate the problem
 
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Got a 2007 3L

Reverse judder - yes BUT quantify it with the length of time you drive in reverse (6ooo mile + forward less than 150m in reverse it stops if you rev it a litlle too)

Windscreen scuttle is built in two parts which splits apart sealed with some Gorilla Tape no leakage but the drain down the drivers side ( not one passenger side) gets clogged up easily but easy to rod out with a long handled flexible bottle brush

Drawer runners watch if someone has left the drawer unlocked looses all the ball bearings

Don't know anything else

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OK got a question about the 3L 2007 base model

We had just driven 85 miles home and reversing in a buzzer sounded from the dashboard
There were NO warning lights just an intermittent buzz every now and then

So I'm totally puzzled not heard this whilst we had it which is now 1 Year
 

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Frankenstein reversing beepers 'reviving' after a long sleep? :D
 

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2008 build 3.0 Adria 4.5ton, no reverse judder. I regularly reverse onto 4 stage ramps or our quite long driveway , no problem.
Had to replace the clutch , with a solid flywheel conversion, when the DMF Failed.
Only other issues were a single knock noise
When starting. Not sure what or why but it disappeared when I added an extra earth cable direct from the battery. Also the water in the throttle body stepper motor, easy fix.

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