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[Nanniemate]

Lockdown easing for millions across central Scotland halted as COVID cases rise​

UK reports zero daily COVID-related deaths for first time since pandemic began​

Saddened by one pleased with the other

 

[glenn2926]

Lockdown easing for millions across central Scotland halted as COVID cases rise​

UK reports zero daily COVID-related deaths for first time since pandemic began​

Saddened by one pleased with the other

Don’t be too saddened by the rise in cases. It’s only a problem if they end up hospitalised or worse dead. The rise in cases isn’t at the moment translating into hospitalisation.
I do think this is the future and for me it’ll do. I don’t care how many test positive if they’re not ill.

 

[maison]

Regrettably it seems that MSM are trying to back Boris into a corner of delaying the lifting of restrictions. Scientists being interviewed and saying that lifting restrictions might lead to an increase in hospitalisation and/or deaths.

Even the optimistic ones are pushed, by interviewers, to “guarantee” that no increased spread will occur. Naturally, they are unable/unwilling to be pinned down so precisely.

Often a voice over follows, reminding people that “Boris acted too late last time”.

MSM love bad news more than good.

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[glenn2926]

Regrettably it seems that MSM are trying to back Boris into a corner of delaying the lifting of restrictions. Scientists being interviewed and saying that lifting restrictions might lead to an increase in hospitalisation and/or deaths.

Even the optimistic ones are pushed, by interviewers, to “guarantee” that no increased spread will occur. Naturally, they are unable/unwilling to be pinned down so precisely.

Often a voice over follows, reminding people that “Boris acted too late last time”.

MSM love bad news more than good.

That’s where the problem will lie re reducing restrictions. It’s not just the press, they are the worst though. There are a few on this very forum that will be advocating the same.
No recorded deaths, fewer in hospital a slight rise in people testing positive .
Which of those last three do you think the press and other bad news fans will pick up on?

 

[Nanniemate]

Just had today my 2nd Jab seemed busier than first time, no military support NHS staff and the volunteers keeping it going, some very young and some older everyone of the younger team were upbeat friendly and with smiley eyes, I watched then put the older at ease and get on with a long day lets hope it is the beginning of if not the end but the better

 

[The general]

MSM love bad news more than good.

Without doubt

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[Brains]

MSM love bad news more than good.

Very old adage in the news business, as anyone journalist (or even O Level media studies student) will tell you:

"Good news is bad news, Bad news is good news"

 

[Brains]

Often a voice over follows, reminding people that “Boris acted too late last time”.

He did, not even his mates are going to back him on that one.

He acted 3 weeks too late at the start, and then he acted 3 weeks late the second time and only started to take it seriously when he went down with it himself.

Someone in the future can come up with a rough figure, but as PM Boris has been directly responsible for the avoidable deaths of more British citizens probably since Churchill.

 

[MisterB]

He did, not even his mates are going to back him on that one.

He acted 3 weeks too late at the start, and then he acted 3 weeks late the second time and only started to take it seriously when he went down with it himself.

Someone in the future can come up with a rough figure, but as PM Boris has been directly responsible for the avoidable deaths of more British citizens probably since Churchill.

Harsh....... i wonder if anyone would have got it perfect .... i doubt it very much, so then what level of deaths would have been acceptable and at what cost, because the two cannot be separated, no one will come out of this smelling of roses but i wonder who will shoulder most of the blame .....

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[marchie]

Harsh....... i wonder if anyone would have got it perfect .... i doubt it very much, so then what level of deaths would have been acceptable and at what cost, because the two cannot be separated, no one will come out of this smelling of roses but i wonder who will shoulder most of the blame .....

Sir Patrick Vallance said quite early on that keeping the death count below 20,000 would be a good outcome; if only ...

Steve

 

[Riverbankannie]

Just had today my 2nd Jab seemed busier than first time, no military support NHS staff and the volunteers keeping it going, some very young and some older everyone of the younger team were upbeat friendly and with smiley eyes, I watched then put the older at ease and get on with a long day lets hope it is the beginning of if not the end but the better

Daughter went today for her second too. The AZ. I hope both of you don’t have too bad a side effect.

 

[joe and sue]

Don’t be too saddened by the rise in cases. It’s only a problem if they end up hospitalised or worse dead. The rise in cases isn’t at the moment translating into hospitalisation.
I do think this is the future and for me it’ll do. I don’t care how many test positive if they’re not ill.

The cases are actually positive test results, and as we are constantly being told, " 2 out of 3 people who have covid, do not know it and have no symptoms"

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[maison]

He did, not even his mates are going to back him on that one.

He acted 3 weeks too late at the start, and then he acted 3 weeks late the second time and only started to take it seriously when he went down with it himself.

Someone in the future can come up with a rough figure, but as PM Boris has been directly responsible for the avoidable deaths of more British citizens probably since Churchill.

I think that most thinking people accept that the lockdown was late, with hindsight.

I don’t know about you but I would not like to have been the one to make the decision, especially with all the competing voices insisting that they had the correct answer.

In my career I sometimes had to make instant decisions that had life or death implications. It is not easy! Especially when people who, eventually, have information that you didn’t have at the time, decide to second guess your decision. They are criticising knowing that, since their proposed action was never implemented, no-one can criticise them.

There is a well known saying..... any fool can criticise, and many of them do.

 

[glenn2926]

Harsh....... i wonder if anyone would have got it perfect .... i doubt it very much, so then what level of deaths would have been acceptable and at what cost, because the two cannot be separated, no one will come out of this smelling of roses but i wonder who will shoulder most of the blame .....

Obviously Brains would have coped better. He does keep telling everyone that will listen how Boris got it wrong. Perhaps he should stand as PM next time.
I did post earlier that the bad news crowd would only see the bad things. Here’s proof of that.

 

[joe and sue]

AS usual, the armchair experts with 20-20 hindsight are now pontificating and critisissing, but where were they with all this knowledge when those early and very difficult decisions had to be made!!
I would not want any of those jobs

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[Grianan]

AS usual, the armchair experts with 20-20 hindsight are now pontificating and critisissing, but where were they with all this knowledge when those early and very difficult decisions had to be made!!
I would not want any of those jobs

Me neither. But I still have the email I sent to my son’s DHT February 2020 asking if school were really going to accept a child back who was returning from worst affected area of Austria/Italy border after a week skiing with his family. The response was that, unless the government acted, schools could not do anything. Too little too late. And that was NOT hindsight - it was forethought.

 

[Clipgate]

Test!
The regulator responsible for approving coronavirus tests for use in the UK, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), has expressed concern to government that people may be falsely reassured if they test negative on an LFT.
The MHRA has authorised LFTs to be used as a “red light” test – to find infectious people and order them to self-isolate – but not as a “green light” test
Believe what you may

 

[suavecarve]

I think that most thinking people accept that the lockdown was late, with hindsight.

I don’t know about you but I would not like to have been the one to make the decision, especially with all the competing voices insisting that they had the correct answer.

In my career I sometimes had to make instant decisions that had life or death implications. It is not easy! Especially when people who, eventually, have information that you didn’t have at the time, decide to second guess your decision. They are criticising knowing that, since their proposed action was never implemented, no-one can criticise them.

There is a well known saying..... any fool can criticise, and many of them do.

9 O Clock assassins we referred to them as. Do a job on nights with instant decisions and many of them to be made in a split second and in the morning over a cup of coffee, discuss it with some mates and pint out one of the 47 pieces of paperwork were missing

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[Brains]

I think that most thinking people accept that the lockdown was late, with hindsight.

I don’t know about you but I would not like to have been the one to make the decision, especially with all the competing voices insisting that they had the correct answer.

In my career I sometimes had to make instant decisions that had life or death implications. It is not easy! Especially when people who, eventually, have information that you didn’t have at the time, decide to second guess your decision. They are criticising knowing that, since their proposed action was never implemented, no-one can criticise them.

There is a well known saying..... any fool can criticise, and many of them do.

The UK lockdown was late,

It was not hindsight, as others did a far better job, New Zealand being a text book case, but there were many others including Taiwan, S.Korea, HK, Singapore, Iceland, and many more.

The large London based global company I worked for instigated a global 'work from home' in the 3 weeks before the UK lockdown, meaning the London office was empty nearly a week before the official date.

Lockdown in the UK could and should have taken place weeks before it did.

I totally agree it could have been a 'cry wolf' situation, for which the government would have been blamed, but that is true with any major decision where you only have half the facts at the time.

As was said above, no one is going to come out of this smelling of roses, but their were some dreadful decisions made for the wrong reason, with the information available at the time.

 

[Camdoon]

The UK lockdown was late,

It was not hindsight, as others did a far better job, New Zealand being a text book case, but there were many others including Taiwan, S.Korea, HK, Singapore, Iceland, and many more.

The large London based global company I worked for instigated a global 'work from home' in the 3 weeks before the UK lockdown, meaning the London office was empty nearly a week before the official date.

Lockdown in the UK could and should have taken place weeks before it did.

I totally agree it could have been a 'cry wolf' situation, for which the government would have been blamed, but that is true with any major decision where you only have half the facts at the time.

As was said above, no one is going to come out of this smelling of roses, but their were some dreadful decisions made for the wrong reason, with the information available at the time.

What UK lockdown? Each nation has done their own thing. In Scotland, one person went from being the health minister to being the first minister over a period of 13 years and has not accepted the blame for being so ill prepared. To be fair that person did say that the country would have gone along with the rUK's vaccine purchase scheme despite many of their and the rest of the opposition MP's suggesting we stick with the EU's more 'egalitarian' plan. The outcomes for the 4 nations are not that dissimilar given population sizes, distribution and other disparities.

 

[Carpmart]

It’s got quite simple for me now, we have just got to get on with life but with largely sealed borders for a few months. Personally I’ve not got any plans for continental travel until Jan 2022 because of this.

We were told and it’s pretty clear from the data, that serious illness and death from C19 is with the over 50’s. So we have vaccinated all the ‘at risk’ 1-9 Cohorts (if you’re in this and haven’t had two jabs by now, then get your arse in gear).

Each tracked mutation we have encountered to date, the vaccine is effective against, we are vaccinating across the whole UK at a minimum, adults in their late 20’s and in many part of the UK much younger.

We have been cautious and rightly so, but with largely sealed borders let’s just get on with life now. We can’t eradicate this virus, so we will have to live with it long term, so let’s do that, live with it and get on!

Anyone worried about the flu season this coming winter 2021-22? My concern with no flu circulating for over a year, we had better do a good job of vaccinating against the flu strains that do end up in the UK, else Influenza 2021-22, IMHO, could be a bigger killer than C19 this winter.

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[Nanniemate]

Daughter went today for her second too. The AZ. I hope both of you don’t have too bad a side effect.

Thanks Annie slept well last nigh and so far so good, arm has a little ache but other than than that seems OK but about to start work so I am sure a headache is imminent

 

[rolosroller]

Dammed if you do Dammed if you don't

 

[busby]

Very easy to

He did, not even his mates are going to back him on that one.

He acted 3 weeks too late at the start, and then he acted 3 weeks late the second time and only started to take it seriously when he went down with it himself.

Someone in the future can come up with a rough figure, but as PM Boris has been directly responsible for the avoidable deaths of more British citizens probably since Churchill.

Very easy to be wise after the event.He can't win.If he had locked down long and hard he would have been accused of leading a Police State..Being too leniant he is accused of being soft.Not a job I would want.BUSBY.

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[busby]

It’s got quite simple for me now, we have just got to get on with life but with largely sealed borders for a few months. Personally I’ve not got any plans for continental travel until Jan 2022 because of this.

We were told and it’s pretty clear from the data, that serious illness and death from C19 is with the over 50’s. So we have vaccinated all the ‘at risk’ 1-9 Cohorts (if you’re in this and haven’t had two jabs by now, then get your arse in gear).

Each tracked mutation we have encountered to date, the vaccine is effective against, we are vaccinating across the whole UK at a minimum, adults in their late 20’s and in many part of the UK much younger.

We have been cautious and rightly so, but with largely sealed borders let’s just get on with life now. We can’t eradicate this virus, so we will have to live with it long term, so let’s do that, live with it and get on!

Anyone worried about the flu season this coming winter 2021-22? My concern with no flu circulating for over a year, we had better do a good job of vaccinating against the flu strains that do end up in the UK, else Influenza 2021-22, IMHO, could be a bigger killer than C19 this winter.

I think SD has kept flu and colds at bay..I won't be touching and kissing like we used to do..BUSBY.

 

[scally]

I think we talk about it too much . We should just get on with our lives and stop worrying,things are improving