If I bought a field ? (1 Viewer)

[Vlad The Impaler]

If I were to buy a plot of land here or abroad,could I park my motorhome on it and spend extended periods of time there ?




Vlad

 

[pappajohn]

probably, if you changed the 'use' from agricultural or meadow to campsite otherwise i think the 28 day rule may apply.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Wouldn't want a campsite,just for personal use ,not interested in a business.What's the 28 day rule ? I assume you can spend 28 days there but how long before you can return?




Vla

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[PeterCarole29]

This may be a pointless thought. I dont know the answer but if the 28 days rule was in force by buying two plots next to each other would you get away with going from one to the other.

 

[Jaws]

If you put a couple of sheep on the land

Then you can park a single van or caravan or whatever on it for as long as the sheep are there

It comes under the same rules as apply to shepherds huts.. A shepherds hut is only defined as a mobile shelter. So as long as you can move it if the need arises there is no limit ..


( is my 'Gypsy side' showing through ? )

 

[PeterCarole29]

I believe it 24 hrs

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[SIFTA SAM]

If I were to buy a plot of land here or abroad,could I park my motorhome on it and spend extended periods of time there ?


Yes you can from what I've read! Groups of people already park up for extended periods of time, and in most cases they don't even own the land?

 

[Bebe]

If I were to buy a plot of land here or abroad,could I park my motorhome on it and spend extended periods of time there ?




Vlad

I have wondered this, but never gone beyond the point of thinking about it. Or should I say ...I did go on a site advertising plots of land being sold off by auction. Could it be done?

 

[canopus]

We have such a field/plot which has mooring permission on the canal bordering the field. We have had as many as three vans on there over a weekend and not had any grief. However we erected a 12ft x 8ft shed to house a ride on mower and garden type tools. We didn't realise we should have applied for planning.

Some 3.5 yrs later we received a letter from the Enforcement Officer of the Council. Spoke to them and they were adamant it will have to come down.

Have now applied for retrospective permission (17 pages would you believe - copied 4 times) but am not too optimistic.

As John (Jaws) says if you have a few chickens or a sheep then it can be classed as agricultural and may be viewed by the planning in a totally different light. If you mention the word 'recreational' use then that opens up another can of worms. Perhaps Id have more success if I apply to build a mosque

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[John & Joan]

Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act, 1960

CASES WHERE A SITE LICENCE IS NOT REQUIRED

Use within curtilage of a dwelling house

1. A site licence shall not be required for the use of land as a

caravan site if the use is incidental to the enjoyment as such of a

dwelling house within the curtilage of which the land is situated.


Use by a person travelling with a caravan for one or two nights

2. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Schedule, a

site licence shall not be required for the use of land as a caravan
site by a person travelling with a caravan who brings the caravan

on to the land for a period which includes not more than two nights—
(a) during that period no other caravan is stationed for the

purposes of human habitation on that land or any adjoining

land in the same occupation, and

(b) if, in the period of twelve months ending with the day on

which the caravan is brought on to the land, the number

of days on which a caravan was stationed anywhere on that
land or the said adjoining land for the purposes of human

habitation did not exceed twenty-eight.

Use of holdings of five acres or more in certain circumstances
3.—(l) Subject to 'the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Schedule,

a site licence shall not be required for the use as a caravan site of

land which comprises, together with any adjoining land which is in
the same occupation and has not been built on, not less than five

acres—

(a) if in the period of twelve months ending with the day on
which the land is used as a caravan site the number of days
on which a caravan was stationed anywhere on that land

or on the said adjoining land for the purposes of human

habitation did not exceed 'twenty-eight, and

(b) if in the said period of twelve months not more than three
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caravans were so stationed at 'any one time.

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So the answer for the UK is NO. Max stay is one or two nights at a time.

You can only use the land for a max of 28 nights in a year. Owning and adjacent plot does not help. You would need to own 13 non adjacent plots.

Only one caravan on land to 5 acres.

Sites occupied and supervised by exempted organisations

4. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Schedule, a

site licence shall not be required for the use as a caravan site of

land which is occupied by an organisation which holds for the time
being a certificate of exemption granted under paragraph 12 of

this Schedule (hereinafter referred to as an exempted organisation)

if the use is for purposes of recreation and is under the supervision

of the organisation.

Sites approved by exempted organisations
5.—(l) Subject to the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Schedule,

a site licence shall not be required for the use as a caravan site of
land as respects which there is in force a certificate issued under

this paragraph by an exempted organisation if not more than five

caravans are at the time stationed for the purposes of human
habitation on the land to which the certificate relates.

(2) For the purposes of this paragraph an exempted organisation

may issue as respects any land a certificate stating that the land

has been approved by the exempted organisation for use by its
members for the purposes of recreation.

(3) The certificate shall be issued to the occupier of the land to
which it relates, and the organisation shall send particulars to the
Minister of all certificates •issued by the organisation under this

paragraph.

(4) A certificate issued by an exempted organisation under this

paragraph shall specify the date on which it is to come into force

and the period for which it is to continue in force, being a period

not exceeding one year.
Meetings organised by exempted organisations

6. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Schedule, a
site licence shall not be required for the use of land as a caravan site
if the use is under the supervision of an exempted organisation and

is in pursuance of arrangements made by that organisation for a

meeting for its members lasting not more than five days.

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[Bebe]

No point in a few of us buying a bit of land and having a time share parking plot then

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

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So the answer for the UK is NO. Max stay is one or two nights at a time.

You can only use the land for a max of 28 nights in a year. Owning and adjacent plot does not help. You would need to own 13 non adjacent plots.

Only one caravan on land to 5 acres.

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What if I'm visiting my 2 sheep?






Vlad

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[Wildman]

probably, if you changed the 'use' from agricultural or meadow to campsite otherwise i think the 28 day rule may apply.

The 28 day rule only applies to land over 5 acres in size and whilst tents are fine motorhomes or caravans need a site licence

 

[Jaws]

You are proly gonna think this is a load of cods, but an ex neighbour bought a plot of land to farm snails ( near Attleborough Norfolk ! )
He put a caravan on the site and left it there.

Went to it one day and it had a notice on it to contact the planning dept.

Duly contacted, explained it was not lived in but used while tending the snails .. On occasion he might sleep in it if the weather was going to be awful just in case ( in case of what I have NO idea.. )

The only question they asked him was if need be could he tow it off.

Yes, it was the family caravan and still used for a yearly holiday


No problem at all sir..

And it was from that a bit of further investigation revealed the bit about shepherds huts and why they are on wheels.. As long as it can be moved, not a problem

 

[Munchie]

Never understand the UK.
Once walking along the Loire there was a row of massive houses i would guess 750 thousand or more!
In between two of them was a likkle caravan perched on brick foundation wall with a nearby shed with washer, drier and freezer.
The large plot was immaculate!

I think Ok where is the harm?:thumb:

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[John & Joan]

The 28 day rule only applies to land over 5 acres in size and whilst tents are fine motorhomes or caravans need a site licence

Hi Rodger

I you read my post taken from the Act. The 28 day rule apples to both under and over 5 acres. If more than 5 acres up to 3 vans can stay for one or two nights. Under 5 acres one van only.

 

[canopus]

Hi Rodger

I you read my post taken from the Act. The 28 day rule apples to both under and over 5 acres. If more than 5 acres up to 3 vans can stay for one or two nights. Under 5 acres one van only.

We have broken the law then a few times then as our field is only 1/3 of a hectare or in english 109 Mts x 25 Mts. :Blush:

Rate Im going, I will end up being locked up for all these planning transgressions

 

[pappajohn]

We have broken the law then a few times then as our field is only 1/3 of a hectare or in english [HI][STRIKE]109 Mts[/STRIKE][/HI] 119.2 yards x [HI][STRIKE]25 Mts[/STRIKE][/HI] 27.34 yards. :Blush:

Rate Im going, I will end up being locked up for all these planning transgressions

lets have it right

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[canopus]

That is English nowadays John. It does my head in :Sad:

 

[Geo]

750 thousand housesoh:
Thats some row Ken

 

[Moodybrook]

So what you are all saying is that I can't park my motorhome in my drive which is less than 5 acres with no sheep but one donkey ME ! For more than one or two nights or 28 days a year??

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[TheBig1]

So what you are all saying is that I can't park my motorhome in my drive which is less than 5 acres with no sheep but one donkey ME ! For more than one or two nights or 28 days a year??

if you sleep in it on the drive for more than 1 or 2 nights a year you would need planning permission

several people i know have built their own homes whilst living on site in a caravan. they needed temporary planning permission and the caravan/static had to be removed on completion

parking is not sleeping in it and some houses have restrictive covenants as parking a caravan too. rarely seems to be enforced in most areas though

i had a knock on the door by a council official a few years back telling me i couldnt park a motorhome on the drive. i explained it is taxed and insured as a motor vehicle, so i would on his advice park in the road blocking it. flumoxed official couldnt agree or tell me not to, but he left and ive heard nothing more. the same with a few neighbours with motorhomes, caravans and boats on their drives.

 

[John & Joan]

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[John & Joan]

So what you are all saying is that I can't park my motorhome in my drive which is less than 5 acres with no sheep but one donkey ME ! For more than one or two nights or 28 days a year??

No that is not the case. If the caravan/Motorhome is parked within the curtilage of the property and used in conjunction with the property then it is covered by the first section of my quote:

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A site licence shall not be required for the use of land as a​

caravan site if the use is incidental to the enjoyment as such of a​

dwelling house within the curtilage of which the land is situated.​

You can sleep in the caravan, but must use the house for some purposes. You cannot treat it as a separate dwelling.​

Planning permission is different from the requirement to hold a Caravan Site Licence.​

Certificated sites and rallies do not need formal planning permission as (to put it simply) they are covered by the same type of permission as TV aerials, Satellite dishes, etc. under the Town and Country Planning Act 1947. However to get a CL or Temporary Holiday site up and running, the exempted club needs to consult with the local planning authority and take its guidance.​

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[Moodybrook]

I give in. They have won. I shall apply for appropriate permission to breathe. On reflection would I need separate permission to breathe out.

 

[Fireman Sam]

I give in. They have won. I shall apply for appropriate permission to breathe. On reflection would I need separate permission to breathe out.

T&CP Act 1949, subsection 39: Exhalation (exemptions).

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Could I live in a tent on said plot and park my motorhome beside it!
What are the restrictions on camping.Im thinking more glamping than camping a yurt is classed as a tent but can have a fire,bed carpets etc.





Vlad

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