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Thurday evening I will be attending a VOSA seminar
to discuss amongst other things the latest EU directives to harmonise EU mot tests and CERTIFICiATES
Does this mean EU mot certs will be recognised here and visa versa will it mean you can get your vehicle mot'd anywhere in the EU:Eeek:
we will have to wait and see
Other items on the agenda
Hid headlights (aftermarket add on kits) possible future MoT failure:RollEyes:

The two year MoT test is it happening?:RollEyes:

Chipping engines is illegal in some parts of the EU

Vosa is looking at this being a testable/failure item:Eeek:

Any warning lamps on the Dash possible future MoT failure:RollEyes:

Post here any questions you want an answer to

I cant take over the meeting but will try to get as many answered as possible
I also cant gaurantee the answer will be what you want to hear:Doh:
Geo
I will do a print out of the posts/questions about 4pm Thursday 20th and take them with me
 
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Interesting...


Chipping, why is there an issue here, if the emissions are within limits what's the issue, don't much fancy our chances at an answer but......



Mind you the only chips round here are the frozen potato variety but hey:thumb:
 

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Going to need a big fag packet to get all these question on:winky::ROFLMAO:

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Nowt to do with us here (yet)
But in Newzealand when the boys get pulled with lowered suspension thier warrant (MoT) gets cancelled on the spot:Eeek: they'd have a ball in the UK with that one alone
as for chipping the EU dont like it so be told:cry-smile:
 

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Ah, but how would an MOT station know a vehicle has been re chipped / re mapped?
 

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Where else but Fun will you get an offer like this
Thurday evening I will be attending a VOSA seminar
to discuss amongst other things the latest EU directives to harmonise EU mot tests and CERTIFICiATES
Does this mean EU mot certs will be recognised here and visa versa will it mean you can get your vehicle mot'd anywhere in the EU:Eeek:
we will have to wait and see
Other items on the agenda
Hid headlights (aftermarket add on kits) possible future MoT failure:RollEyes:

The two year MoT test is it happening?:RollEyes:

Chipping engines is illegal in some parts of the EU

Vosa is looking at this being a testable/failure item:Eeek:

Any warning lamps on the Dash possible future MoT failure:RollEyes:

Post here any questions you want an answer to

I cant take over the meeting but will try to get as many answered as possible
I also cant gaurantee the answer will be what you want to hear:Doh:
Geo
I will do a print out of the posts/questions about 4pm Thursday 20th and take them with me

1. My first is what are 'Hid headlights'?

2. How is a tester going to know if a chip has been fitted by the manufacturer or as an after market add on, will it show up on the diagnostic computer?

3. Do you have to plug a computer in when you test a vehicle?

4. On warning lamps, will this include self fitted warning lamps or only manufactures fitted ones? I could fit a warning light for any strange reason I choose, why should this be included?

5. If we fit uprated suspension units (air suspension) will they be included in the test the same as a chip?

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Interesting...
Chipping, why is there an issue here, if the emissions are within limits what's the issue, don't much fancy our chances at an answer but......

Simple, make a vehicle go faster, so what about suspension and brakes.

Clearly not really an issue with us MHers but would be in a hot hatch driven by a lunatic.
 

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I believe that in Spain the weight of a MH is part of the test, is this likely to be introduced into the UK.

Doug...
 

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How do some people get massive MPG from a VW motorhome:whistle::rollonfloor::getmecoat::imoutahere:

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Geo

I would be very interested in any information regarding the validity of EU tests in the UK

This is something that I am hoping for in the future so that we won't keep having to return to the UK simply for testing.

Let me know if have any info on that.

Regards to both you and Pammy, I have no doubt our paths will cross soon

Neil
 

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Can you inform them Geo that they put there steering wheels on the wrong side:Doh:
 
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1. My first is what are 'Hid headlights'?
Those super bright ones that dazzle you
When fitted as standard by the manf they usualy incorporate self adjusting suspension and light systems to work together so as not to dazzle
The after market kits dont have that facillity so you get dazzled, these are the targeted ones
2. How is a tester going to know if a chip has been fitted by the manufacturer or as an after market add on, will it show up on the diagnostic computer?
We have been informed in the past, that diagnostic kit "may" be added to our lists of reqd equipment, Vosa wont bring in any rules that are not enforcable
3. Do you have to plug a computer in when you test a vehicle?
Its already been disscused that in future we may have to interigate the ecu to determine correct settings as an alternative to or along with the gas emmissions test

4. On warning lamps, will this include self fitted warning lamps or only manufactures fitted ones? I could fit a warning light for any strange reason I choose, why should this be included?
Standard EU recognised fault lights such as ABS, Brakes, Steering, Traction Controll, Steering Stability Control etc
5. If we fit uprated suspension units (air suspension) will they be included in the test the same as a chip?
Not heard anything about Air Suspension (yet)
Geo

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I believe that in Spain the weight of a MH is part of the test, is this likely to be introduced into the UK.

Doug...
Hi Doug
The latest brake roller testing machines, also the new one man testing lanes already have the facility in built, to weight the vehicle being tested so it is likely that in the interest's of EU Harmony it wont be long.
Its how I found out my full up weight of the RV, booked in a test on the way to a New Year Fun Meet fully laden with excess beer as well
He asked if i wanted the weighty ticket :Doh:
I declined with a smile (me thinks he knew why) and gave it to me anyway 7.48 Ton:Eeek: all up:thumb:
I had the biggest smile of all, all the way to Grantham:thumb:
Geo
 

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I'd love to hear the government defence if someone tries to upset an MOT failure because of a remapped engine, specifically and proveably modified to decrease emissions!!!

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Mot Testers are a bit like the Vat and Tax man.
we don't have to defend anything as its all written down for us to follow:Doh:
As for the Governments defence, When did they ever need one:RollEyes:
It will no doubt prove a waste of time
In my opinion our Testing method are a long way from perfect but a damn sight better than anything the EU can dream up
At the moment there is no room for common sense in the MOT test, and they just want to make sure theres no room for it period:Doh:
 

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When I have an MOT done I go to the same family garage I have used and my dad used for years the main reason being
1 they have plenty of work and I trust them not to make any more
2 I want my vehicles safe
3 they deserve my money as they have given me good service and that is rare in these days
4 that is why they get to service my car I trust them

Do all these changes mean it is harder and harder for the small independent garages to carry on testing and we will have to go to government test centres?
 

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Nowt to do with us here (yet)
But in Newzealand when the boys get pulled with lowered suspension thier warrant (MoT) gets cancelled on the spot:Eeek: they'd have a ball in the UK with that one alone
as for chipping the EU dont like it so be told:cry-smile:
saw this on a tv prog the other night...

i believe it has to be less than 100mm from sill bottom to road before any action is taken.

thats most of the uk boyracers out then :roflmto:

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Why would you want to lower a motorhomes suspension anyway:Doh: Higher it yes but not lower!!
Thing is if chipping gets pulled on a test and your told No thats illegal do you have recourse to get your cash back..and will these chipping chaps all lose their livelihood if it can be proven chipping lowers emissions then what will HM Government do??
One thing puzzles me..a left hand drive Motorhome with the habitation door that lets you out onto the offside into traffic can be approved and legal in UK ..But a right hand drive one can't be approved in France or Spain because the habitation door lets you out on the WRONG side..HMMM why... Could that question be put forward please for harmonisation!!
 
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When I have an MOT done I go to the same family garage I have used and my dad used for years the main reason being
1 they have plenty of work and I trust them not to make any more
2 I want my vehicles safe
3 they deserve my money as they have given me good service and that is rare in these days
4 that is why they get to service my car I trust them

Do all these changes mean it is harder and harder for the small independent garages to carry on testing and we will have to go to government test centres?
Id give it about another 10 years, then you be forced into privatel test centres like Spains tuv testing facilities, they will be few and far between and you may have to book 3 months in advance
saw this on a tv prog the other night...

i believe it has to be less than 100mm from sill bottom to road before any action is taken.

thats most of the uk boyracers out then :roflmto:
!00 mm Minimum from chassis actualy, and plod was measuring it wrong from the sill:Doh:
Why would you want to lower a motorhomes suspension anyway:Doh: Higher it yes but not lower!!
Thing is if chipping gets pulled on a test and your told No thats illegal do you have recourse to get your cash back..and will these chipping chaps all lose their livelihood if it can be proven chipping lowers emissions then what will HM Government do??
One thing puzzles me..a left hand drive Motorhome with the habitation door that lets you out onto the offside into traffic can be approved and legal in UK ..But a right hand drive one can't be approved in France or Spain because the habitation door lets you out on the WRONG side..HMMM why... Could that question be put forward please for harmonisation!!
The same reasons it is extreamly difficult to register any forein vehicle in France and Spain not just motor homes,
Its to protect their own car industries
Geo
 
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Can you inform them Geo that they put there steering wheels on the wrong side:Doh:
I coudnt agree more John
All my vehicles are Left Hookers :thumb:
Its the only way to drive:Cool:

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Id give it about another 10 years, then you be forced into privatel test centres like Spains tuv testing facilities, they will be few and far between and you may have to book 3 months in advance

!00 mm Minimum from chassis actualy, and plod was measuring it wrong from the sill:Doh:

The same reasons it is extreamly difficult to register any forein vehicle in France and Spain not just motor homes,
Its to protect their own car industries
Geo

So why do us pillicks keep on giving ours away to foreigners ? :Doh:
 
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I say ole chap steady on
You'l get us brits a bad name :Cool:
 
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Simple, make a vehicle go faster, so what about suspension and brakes.

Clearly not really an issue with us MHers but would be in a hot hatch driven by a lunatic.


Possibly but unlikely as chipping generaly produces a very small gain, there may be exceptions and obviously if other mods are applied, but I suppose this would be the argument, answering my own question, how would a tester know what was safe and not, ie chipped/uprated engine and aftermarket suspension and brakes, is it enough to cope?


As you say the hot hatch lunatic, it's blantant that some of the modded chav mobiles have been got at by incompitents, the amount of times I've seen one lowered till it's nearly dragging on the ground with a mass of toe out because the idiot hasn't understood the effects of altering geometry on suspension/steering:Doh:

My real grip here as what about those that do know what the're about, the specialist traders making and/or fitting kit for those that again know what their about and, well, want to be different or maybe have a need for what ever reason, I'm thinking here more modified 4X4s where the required use requires alteration from standard to cope......


We'll all be driving boring boxes distinguished by nothing more than a badge if these eurocrate fools have their way:Doh:

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In Spain if you add anything to make the vehicle longer than stated on the registration certificate ie; bike rack you will fail your ITV (MOT).
You either have to remove it before the test or go to the Traffic department and have it entered on the document. :cry:
 

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Interesting...


Chipping, why is there an issue here, if the emissions are within limits what's the issue, don't much fancy our chances at an answer but......



Mind you the only chips round here are the frozen potato variety but hey:thumb:

Simon, give you a possible idea.. Our old smart 4/2 had a speedo that was limited at 82 mph and the speedo only showed speed to 85 mph.. Re chip it and it can do over 100 mph... The speedo still will not showing higher than 100 mph... So you have a false reading to the actual speed travelled.

Safety issue I would think?

Just my view why the MOT might want to consider that.

Bob:Eeek:
 

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Re a switch on the dash

1. My first is what are 'Hid headlights'?

2. How is a tester going to know if a chip has been fitted by the manufacturer or as an after market add on, will it show up on the diagnostic computer?

3. Do you have to plug a computer in when you test a vehicle?

4. On warning lamps, will this include self fitted warning lamps or only manufactures fitted ones? I could fit a warning light for any strange reason I choose, why should this be included?

5. If we fit uprated suspension units (air suspension) will they be included in the test the same as a chip?

I had to have a switch fitted to my dash for the rear fog lamp when imported.. When I went for the first MOT the test station did check that the switch did light up when put on...same as nothing on the dash like sat brackets...

Bob:Eeek:

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I will settle for a winnebago badge any day.

Possibly but unlikely as chipping generaly produces a very small gain, there may be exceptions and obviously if other mods are applied, but I suppose this would be the argument, answering my own question, how would a tester know what was safe and not, ie chipped/uprated engine and aftermarket suspension and brakes, is it enough to cope?


As you say the hot hatch lunatic, it's blantant that some of the modded chav mobiles have been got at by incompitents, the amount of times I've seen one lowered till it's nearly dragging on the ground with a mass of toe out because the idiot hasn't understood the effects of altering geometry on suspension/steering:Doh:

My real grip here as what about those that do know what the're about, the specialist traders making and/or fitting kit for those that again know what their about and, well, want to be different or maybe have a need for what ever reason, I'm thinking here more modified 4X4s where the required use requires alteration from standard to cope......


We'll all be driving boring boxes distinguished by nothing more than a badge if these eurocrate fools have their way:Doh:


No problems Simon if it is a Winnebago badge... We are different in any case.

Bob:thumb:
 
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Two year MOTs is this true Geo ? on what cars vans lorrys motorhomes what will come into 2 year thing ?
Hi Carl
Yes two year MoTs If adopted
New vehicles wont require testing till the 4th anniversary and then 2 yearly after that
The two year test will apply to all class 4 and 7 me thinks regardless of age
The above will only apply if the EU gets it way, as this is how it is now in the EU, so in theory we have to comply
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