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Hey peeps just come back from Shepton and whilst there as people there will know we had our 2010 1000 mile 1 month old Ducato 2.3 Remapped..

Well on the way down i always reset the trip and get a new mpg reading for the journey and it was a average 21.4mpg not bad for a new van will get better. But whilst at the show "WOW" where doing a discounted show price of ÂŁ247 with a money back if i was not happy so after a good chat i said yes...

I was told a much better performance and mpg and as i have had a car done along time ago i know it does work but how well on the MH, Well the performance is amazing it pulls far better i would say it has to have increased the pull by 25% awesome. And after i reset the trip again before i left we headed off, Now i was like a kid with a new toy with the new power so i didnt hang about and the new MPG figures when i got home where 24mpg an amazing increase for a van not run it yet..

So all-in-all i am one happy bunny and i recon it was 100% the right choice WOW will be getting a nice email from me.. If you thinking about having it done don't hesitate DO IT!

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129bhp - 164Bhp+

320nm - 403nm+

21.4mpg - 24 and Climbing :)
 
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dont forget to tell your insurance!! and let us know how much more (if any) premium it cost you

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Interesting post!!

Care to expand!!

LOL

ShiftZZ faster than Dellwood 33 on a pushbike!!:ROFLMAO:

not really I just slop off and whatch the monaco gp I recorded earler....

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Basically the change in the engine map is extremely hard to diagnose, even with the right equipment to compare it with. Secondly to say something has been modified you have to compare it to the original and with only one map on the MH what can you compare it against to prove it has been modified.

A ECU can be flashed regular at any Fiat dealer for ECU upgrades these can be for any problem accuring from other faults found on other vehicles, and could have power increase or decrease in them to stop other problems. So that would mean i would have to tell my Insurance everytime there is a ECU flash update needed. Would i get discount if i had to have my power lowered because Fiat said it needed it to cure a problem...

So i think i will give the insruance company a miss.... But if i ever decide to tell them i know i could get there faster in my MH now....

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does this affect your FIAT warranty? I would have thought so as I have read it has in the past
 

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so you spend 40k on a new h/m then have the ecu upgraded and dont tell the insurnace ,which could invaladte it, possibly cancle the fait warranty, and tell the world on here.....


:Eeek:mmm

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Hey peeps just come back from Shepton and whilst there as people there will know we had our 2010 1000 mile 1 month old Ducato 2.3 Remapped..
But whilst at the show "WOW" where doing a discounted show price of ÂŁ247 with a money back if i was not happy so after a good chat i said yes...
:)
What you are doing is illegal and could result in more than just the loss of your 40k investment. Worth thinking about. For all you know the re-mappers could be obliged to inform the authorities of any remapping they carry out. :Sad:
 
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Ok i am getting alittle fed up with some of your silly reply's....

One ECU remapping is not "Illegal" if it was then the service in the UK would not be aloud and the poor police force would not be aloud to have there BMW 335D remapped to what they use now. So if the police can do it so can i. By law, all new cars must have a dip in power in the engine map between 2000 - 3000RPM. The intention of this law was that it would reduce emissions, but in fact all it means is that people put their foot down more in this rev range to compensate for this dip, which of course actually increases emissions and wastes fuel. "Buttons" give WOW a ring and tell them this and see what reply you get from them and please post back there reply... TEL: 08456 529530..

Second:

As stated before remapping is invisable so why would my warranty be void. I had my old car remapped and the dealer knew this and never cared the only thing it will effect is the warranty on the ECU and WOW state this with there sale - " Link Removed
The remap is invisible to manufacturer’s diagnostic equipment. Additionally many forward thinking manufacturers turn a blind eye to a quality remapping service, knowing that a properly enhanced vehicle can only ever benefit them. In the extremely unlikely event of a fault being attributable to our Quantum remap, then our own warranty kicks in. "

So as said before i aint worried and i don't know why anyone else is worried for me.

I must say one thing most of you on here have effected warranty on your MH at some point. Fitting Solar panels to your roof "VOIDS" Warranty to your roof if it leaks from the fit, Fitting Satelite dishes "VOIDS" warranty if roof leaks as these are not factory fit, If a dealer fitted it then they would warranty this just like my remap but the manufacture would not..

People need to look into things before posting and thinking they know what they are talking about, I walked to my Dealer at Shepton and asked about a remap before i talked to WOW and the Dealer said straight away "I will take you over to these they are fantastic they do all ours" i could have paid ÂŁ500 before i collected my motorhome from the dealer to have it done by them but i didn't...

Anyone else want to have a dig and loose i have more knowledge for you all...

:ROFLMAO:

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Would the insurer be interested in a deisel engine remap? Would they bother to check if a motorhome had been souped up? :Smile: Has anyone who has claimed on their insurance had their motorhome checked for this?

I can understand them being interested in adding BHP to some boy racers Subaru but I can't imagine them being bothered about adding a bit of power to a motorhome. Are they?

Has anyone told their insurers about re-mapping, did the premium go up? Is it a token amount or do they sting you?
 

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Yes, I did last year.. Was asked why I had it done.. Told them for economy..
Answer came back 2 hours later that as they ( the insurers ) did not cover the engine they were not really interested but had made a note so they knew and had approved it


Also had ever Smart Car I have ever owned remapped.. On the few occasions I have had cause to go to a Merc dealer I have always told them and every time they said thanks for letting them know as it saves a lot of shouting if they reset every thing !! ::bigsmile:

Never once was there a suggestion the remap might cause a warranty issue and it never did
 

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We had a Van Aaken Smart Box fitted to our motorhome which has the same effect as an engine re-map. We informed our insurers, stating the increase in B.H.P. and torque. They replied saying that they had noted and amended their records accordingly and that there would be no increase in premium.

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Would the insurer be interested in a deisel engine remap? Would they bother to check if a motorhome had been souped up? :Smile: Has anyone who has claimed on their insurance had their motorhome checked for this?
Probably not Jim but I’m sure that you wouldn’t condone keeping such information from the insurance company's, higher premium or not.
 

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We have a torque tech box fitted to ours, we had notified the insurers who wanted a copy of our invoice etc for their records. It did incur an increase in the premium, but not much and it was something that we had from the beginning of owning it (previous fit from other owner).

We explained it was to help with torque and not to do with speed. It does count as a modification though, so it is always best to inform your insurance company.

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Hi W18BLA!

It was good to meet you at the show and thank you for you kind comments about our remap, its good to get feedback and I genuinly appreciate it.:Smile:

To 100% clarify on the insurance situation as this is something we deal with on a daily basis.

Firstly, as a responsible company we have a duty to advise customer to inofrm their insurance company of a modification - in fact this applies to any modification, be it remap, alloy wheels or a sat dish.

Whether the customer actually informs their insurer is clearly down to them. Fact is that the modification is visually invisible and virtually impossible to detect, so often they dont.

That said its a motorhome, its not a sporty Subaru and the typical motorhomer is a spotty 19 year oik with no experience! Because of that and work that we have done with the motorhome insurers, it very unlikely to cause them a problem or excuse for a premium hike.

The specialist insurers like Comfort, Caravanguard etc are usually no problem, some like Saga entirely depend on which operator answers the phone and which way the wind will blow next Thurday. Sometimes the huge insurers where you are simply a number can be awkward, as they can separate you from said 19 year old!

In 99 of cases when and insurer is informed that you have had "an economy remap by Wow Tuning' its a simply note on the policy, occasionally we have to confirm details by email or post, which were happy to do. If you have any doubts whatsoever, simply call you insurer.

:thumb:Shepton was as great show, hello to all the new friends we have made.:thumb:

Finally Buttons, a remap is NOT illegal in anyway shape or form; Mercedes for instance offer a remap service called the Brabus upgrade through their dealer network and we undertake remaps for many public/goverment bodies. It also would not be illegal to not inform your insurance company and you are not looking to defraud them, or take a vehicle on the roads which would normally be insurable. Simply letting them know about a remap does stop a potential payout wriggle, however.


Hey peeps just come back from Shepton and whilst there as people there will know we had our 2010 1000 mile 1 month old Ducato 2.3 Remapped..

Well on the way down i always reset the trip and get a new mpg reading for the journey and it was a average 21.4mpg not bad for a new van will get better. But whilst at the show "WOW" where doing a discounted show price of ÂŁ247 with a money back if i was not happy so after a good chat i said yes...

I was told a much better performance and mpg and as i have had a car done along time ago i know it does work but how well on the MH, Well the performance is amazing it pulls far better i would say it has to have increased the pull by 25% awesome. And after i reset the trip again before i left we headed off, Now i was like a kid with a new toy with the new power so i didnt hang about and the new MPG figures when i got home where 24mpg an amazing increase for a van not run it yet..

So all-in-all i am one happy bunny and i recon it was 100% the right choice WOW will be getting a nice email from me.. If you thinking about having it done don't hesitate DO IT!

Figure's

Standard - Remapped

129bhp - 164Bhp+

320nm - 403nm+

21.4mpg - 24 and Climbing :)

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Probably not Jim but I’m sure that you wouldn’t condone keeping such information from the insurance company's, higher premium or not.

I'm equally sure you would not condone it either.
 
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To 100% clarify on the insurance situation as this is something we deal with on a daily basis. the modification is visually invisible and virtually impossible to detect.
Sorry WOW but I am not 100% clarified. What are you suggesting with this statement. What has the visibility of your product got to do with a legal obligation to inform your insures. :Confused:

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Interesting topic as this is something I have been considering. Even more so since I also have the Ducato 2.3.

What is the average payback time on the outlay for an economy remap?
Are there any downsides to a remap apart from the potential insurance issues already discussed?
Also if a manufacturer had to reflash the ECU I am assuming the remap is lost? How would this normally be handled (e.g would another remap need to be paid for?) and would the reflash be a last resort?
 

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Hi Buttons, our position is quite clear we have an obligation to tell our customers to that they should inform their insurers and our literature and website make this quite clear.
However, its a free world and customers choose whether to inform their insurers or not; often because our modification is invisible, or is something pretty much expected of motorhome in the case of say a solar panel, they don't.
Hope you're now 100% clarified and your butterfat has separated:roflmto:


Sorry WOW but I am not 100% clarified. What are you suggesting with this statement. What has the visibility of your product got to do with a legal obligation to inform your insures. :Confused:
 

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Hi Pablomc,
To answer your questions as best as I can from our perspective, which of course is biased towards remapping but is nethertheless truthful:Smile:.
Payback is in 2 ways, Financial and Driving enjoyment.
You fill up every 400 miles or so and a remap is a tool to help you achieve better fuel consumption by lighter throttle load, the ability to hold gears longer and efficiency in the engine dynamics. If you can gain 30-60 extra miles per tankful, then that's great and most customers do, but the overiding feedback we get is how it drives, the power and torque, the smoothness, the reduction in noise. These benefits is experienced for every one of the 400 miles.
Financially, it purely depends on so many factors: your driving style, how many miles you do, the type of driving, etc. If you could save 10%, how much do you spend on juice for your van in the year and there's your answer. There is a caculator on our website where you can enter many of your variables and see for yourself.
There are risks to anything and a remap is no exception, you must choose your supplier very carefully, assess their experience, capability and backup. A proper company would have put a lots of research into developing each vehicle, including rolling road time and very importantly customer feedback, the type of which started this thread.
However I would say, as great as good feedback is, the most important is the the not so good, so it can be resolved!
A proper remap, fully developed within sensible boundaries will not cause you any problems with your 'van, its pretty much all upside certainly there are no long term reliability issues, we have over 2,000 motorhomes under our belt with zero failure.:thumb:
Minor common problems can be too much smoke, which can normally be easily corrected, another problem although rarer is an occasional EGR (exhaust gas recuirculation) light coming one, often when the false economy of supermarket fuel is being used (there's a whole new thread for you!).
Another thing is that not all drivers gain a fuel benefit, often they dont care because of how its drives, but there is a certain type of mega cautious driver who strokes the accelerator with a feather who may not see any benefit whatsoever. This type of driving is also not always the most economical either (another potential thread!) but often you cant teach a old dog new tricks!
There are plenty of remapping companies out there, some very good and I would certainly trust my vehcile to them if I was not in the business myslef. Its all in the public domain on the internet. Beware though, some though are appaling, so you have to look beyond the gloss of a pretty website too. The most important thing is that if its cheap, its cheap and you could be playing with fire with absolutely no comeback or warranty.
There is a possibility that a reflash could be done as part of a dealer update at a service. To put this into perspective its between 2-2.5% where this happens and only on new vehicles. Its not problem however as we or any your remapping company will do you a new version and in most cases, completely free of charge.
Hope that helps:thumb:



Interesting topic as this is something I have been considering. Even more so since I also have the Ducato 2.3.

What is the average payback time on the outlay for an economy remap?
Are there any downsides to a remap apart from the potential insurance issues already discussed?
Also if a manufacturer had to reflash the ECU I am assuming the remap is lost? How would this normally be handled (e.g would another remap need to be paid for?) and would the reflash be a last resort?

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Hi Buttons, our position is quite clear we have an obligation to tell our customers that they should inform their insurers and our literature and website make this quite clear.


Glad to hear that WoW but some on this site are clearly not listening to your advice.:Doh:
 

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Just a quick comment on this subject,

After the engine is remapped by WOW or any other firm, if the ECU is remapped again by FIAT for a fault, is the "WOW" remap removed/over-riden?.

If so, you could pay for a remap. a week later FIAT do a remap and the uprated ECU is lost.

Your views please everyone
 

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Not if you are honest with Fiat and tell them as they will then only reset the parameters they need to rather than do a complete flash..
As I said, had experience ( lots of it !! LOL !! ) with Merc with exactly this.. When I told them I had a map in place they thanked me and avoided doing anything that would change it..

Reading between the lines, I have a sneaky felling that WOW! are a bloody good bunch anyway, and god forbid you did lose a map I reckon they would soon sort it out for you :Smile:

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UPDATE!

For all you worried people i contacted my insurance and spoke to them i told them i have had a "Custom Remap" done and they said "Thankyou for letting us know i will put it in the notes" No charge and no hassle...

Wonderful shall i no tell them i plan on picking my nose whilst driving..

Craig
 

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UPDATE!

For all you worried people i contacted my insurance and spoke to them i told them i have had a "Custom Remap" done and they said "Thankyou for letting us know i will put it in the notes" No charge and no hassle...

Wonderful shall i no tell them i plan on picking my nose whilst driving..

Craig

wasn,nt that easy,:Smile:
thanks for letting us know, perhaps an update when yourve done say 3k miles or so on how its performed,


carefull with the nose picking nasty germs about

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