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lebesset

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in france , the reduction of the standard driving licence to 3,500Kg took place on january 20th , 1975
but since 2006 people who held their licence previous to that date are entitled to change to a licence B- camping car which allows them to drive camping cars only in excess of 3,500Kg

clearly this is permitted under EU law .....doe such a licence exist in the UK , or are there any moves to introduce it ?
 

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hi lebesset google dft.which driving licence do i need. think that tells all uk web only. if not let me know .not too smart at putting stuff on here, but do know lots of answers .cheers alan.
 

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In England we have a similar situation those of us who have the earlier licence can drive up to 7.5 ton or 7500kgs

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the 'earlier' licence roger refers to is pre 1997.....allows up to 7500kg.
known in the uk as 'Grandfather rights'

after 1997 it allows 3500kg unless a further test is taken.
 
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holding a uk licence I am aware of that , but at 70 you need a medical to maintain that

but in france this is available to those who qualify who have a B licence ie a 3, 500Kg licence
 

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is it kept automatically or do the french need a medical as well.

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anyone who had a licence before the quoted date can apply for it I am told
no medical , doesn't expire
 

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holding a uk licence I am aware of that , but at 70 you need a medical to maintain that

but in france this is available to those who qualify who have a B licence ie a 3, 500Kg licence

sorry didnt realise you had a uk licence.......yer profile doesnt give much clue as to where you are or what nationality. :thumb:
 

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the 8,250kg is a train wt. not vehicle weight. we can drive larger stuff on d1+e ,no wt limmit or train is greater on b+e there again 3.5 +trailer any wt so long as you dont exceed train of the 3.5 tow unit. complete stupidity as i see it.
 

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Hi,
If your car test (Category B) was passed prior to 1977 you got a licence qualifying up to 7.5 tonnes gross weight. To keep this the grangfatjher rights jobbie grants category C1. You will also find on these licences Categories B+E and C1+E. The "+E" entitles you to tow a trailer in excess of 750Kg.
Without the C+E entitlement you may still pull a trailer not exceeding 750kgs gross weight.

(Cat B without +E entitlement qualifies for a 3.5t vehicle towing a 750kg trailer, total combination being 4250kgs.)

The total permissible weight of the vehicle / trailer combination is age dependant, irrespective of the licence category held:
You may not drive combinations exceeding 3.5t until 18 years old, or combinations exceeding 7.5t until 21 years old.
Therefore, provided the poster has a pre 1977 car licence and is over 21, he will have a licence with category C1, but no C+E. He can drive a vehicle of 7.5t gross and pull a trailer of 750kg, the total combination being 8250kgs gross weight as already mentioned

Here's where it gets wierd ( if it isn't already!)
With a category B only licence you may pull a trailer exceeding 750kgs, but in this case the total combination of vehicle and trailer may not exceed 3.5t irrespective of age.

A bit involved, but hope it's useful
Cheers
John P

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Hi,
If your car test (Category B) was passed prior to 1977 you got a licence qualifying up to 7.5 tonnes gross weight. To keep this the grangfatjher rights jobbie grants category C1. You will also find on these licences Categories B+E and C1+E. The "+E" entitles you to tow a trailer in excess of 750Kg.
Without the C+E entitlement you may still pull a trailer not exceeding 750kgs gross weight.

(Cat B without +E entitlement qualifies for a 3.5t vehicle towing a 750kg trailer, total combination being 4250kgs.)

The total permissible weight of the vehicle / trailer combination is age dependant, irrespective of the licence category held:
You may not drive combinations exceeding 3.5t until 18 years old, or combinations exceeding 7.5t until 21 years old.
Therefore, provided the poster has a pre 1977 car licence and is over 21, he will have a licence with category C1, but no C+E. He can drive a vehicle of 7.5t gross and pull a trailer of 750kg, the total combination being 8250kgs gross weight as already mentioned

Here's where it gets wierd ( if it isn't already!)
With a category B only licence you may pull a trailer exceeding 750kgs, but in this case the total combination of vehicle and trailer may not exceed 3.5t irrespective of age.

A bit involved, but hope it's useful
Cheers
John P


hi and welcome to the fun.....:thumb:

correct in every respect except the dates.

pre/post 1997.....not 1977.
 

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Hi Pappajohn,
Sorry!....typing error. 1997 it is. I shouldn't get it wrong, I teach Road Transport Law amongst other things. I will tell meself off good style!
VWALAN:
Category D1+E is not a larger vehicle than is qualified by B+E.
If you check out your licence, you will find that D1 is a minibus.
D1 restricts the user to a vehicle with a max number of seats, age will restrict in other ways.
Cheers
John P.
 

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if you have a pre 97 licence then you got b+e ,that allows upto 3.5ton vehicle pulling a trailer of any wt as long as the train of the towing vehicle is not exceded.

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Hi Pappajohn,
Sorry!....typing error. 1997 it is. I shouldn't get it wrong, I teach Road Transport Law amongst other things. I will tell meself off good style!
VWALAN:
Category D1+E is not a larger vehicle than is qualified by B+E.
If you check out your licence, you will find that D1 is a minibus.
D1 restricts the user to a vehicle with a max number of seats, age will restrict in other ways.
Cheers
John P.

easy mistake...:Doh:

nice to have someone onboard with firsthand knowledge:thumb:
 

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john if you have d1+e on a pre 97 licence using grandfather rights it as a restriction 101,119.
101 is not for hire n reward .119 weight limit does not apply.i am looking at a licence of a pre 97 . its not mine as i have c+e, d+e etc you would be over 21 if you passed your test before 97.
 

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got my licence infront of me.......

groups.... with endorsements

A
B
BE
B1
C1
C1E 107
D1 101
D1E 101..119

just what can i drive....?

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a=any m,cycle with or without sidecar
b=m vehicle up to 3,5+trailer 750kg
b+e veh up to 3,5 towing ant triler not excedeing train of unit
.b1=3wheeler or light4wheeler

c1=3.5to 7.5 towing 750kg trailer.
c1+e=c1 veh towing up to 12.000kg restriction 107not more than 8,250kg.
d1= mini bus between 9and16 seats towing 750kg.101 not for hire n reward.
d1+e=d1 towingupto train oof 2.000kg 101 not for h/rew.119 weight limit does not apply.

think thats it
 
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got my licence infront of me.......

groups.... with endorsements

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B1
C1
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D1 101
D1E 101..119

just what can i drive....?

Full list here Driving tests passed before 1 January 1997 : Directgov - Motoring

my question : what is the maximum number of passengers I can carry?

03 reg
1 x front passenger seat
2 x front facing diner seats with belts
2 x rear facing diner seats without belts
rear second dining area with u-shaped seats

Registration cert (V5C) doesn't have any data listed for (amongst others)

S.1 - number of seats
S.2 - number of standing places (cooking while travelling :winky: )
F.1 Max mass
G Mass in service
 

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steelysteph,cant answer that with the info you have given is it a camper whats your lic say. when did you pass your test ?it goes on . but up to 2006/7 seat belts not required in a m,home so it comes to seats . there may be aproblem if you can seat alot. cheers alan.

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if you have a pre 97 licence then you got b+e ,that allows upto 3.5ton vehicle pulling a trailer of any wt as long as the train of the towing vehicle is not exceded.

Hi Alan,
Absolutely.
Can't argue with that.
The point I was making regarding trailers is that without the "+E" entitlement, the max trailer that can be towed is 750kgs gross.
To exceed this, "+E" is needed, for which an extra test is required.
Seems we're all singing off the same song sheet here, just expressing it in different ways.

As for number of useable seats:
The V5C Registration document should state "Number of seats including driver" in section 4 Vehicle Details, at S.1.

Cheers
JohnP

Sorry, Steelysteph, didn't finish.
If as you say there is no info where it normally is at S.1, I would speak to VOSA (Not DVLA:- useless!)
Cheers
JohnP
 
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johnp10 category e comes with a pre 97 lic no extra test.
as for v5 s1 it a farce many campers only sleep ex amount and someone may have told dvla the wrong amount or not at all. my artic was inspected by dvla and does not list how many seats.
its body type is tractor
its wheel plan 2-axle +artic
could be confusing .
its actually 7 seater.
the silly bit is driven on a c1+e i had to restrict the train to 8.250 because its based on a 6,3ton truck
if its laden wt was under 3.5ton it could pull 9.8ton under b+elivcence. thats the manufacturers normal train wt.
its things like that make no sense.
as we both spend lots of time reading anddigesting transport law perhaps we should get together and write something for the m,home world. coming from transport it becomes natural to see the stupidity of some of the rules. cheers alan.
 
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steelysteph,cant answer that with the info you have given is it a camper whats your lic say. when did you pass your test ?it goes on . but up to 2006/7 seat belts not required in a m,home so it comes to seats . there may be aproblem if you can seat alot. cheers alan.

I passed my test in 1988, and I'm aged between 45 and 55 :winky:

Categories that I can drive are:

B
C1
D1 (Information code 101)
BE
C1E (code 107)
D1E (code 101, 119)

Code 119 is interesting - it says the weight limit doesn't apply :Eeek:

Also, a quick search came up with this from Norfolk Line Ferries:

This vehicle type also includes motorhomes that are under 2.4 metres in height; with a maximum of 9 passengers allowed to travel with this vehicle type.

I'm guessing that I can put the whole family in the back of the MH, drive to a quiet place and leave them :roflmto:

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have just looked at my new downrated non-medical licence , and B+E has been included !
so can still tow my double axle 1500Kg caravan if required !

ps SS , sort of the median as well

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I have a question, with a license driver B passed in 1978, in GB, can you drive a pickup with GVWR equal to 7500 kg ? Or do you need a C license ?
 

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I have a question, with a license driver B passed in 1978, in GB, can you drive a pickup with GVWR equal to 7500 kg ? Or do you need a C license ?

sorry weymard,

'B' licence is only for 'heavy cars' which includes vans and pickups but only up to......3500kg max.

you will need a 'C' licence.
 
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hi weymard , if you have an early licence with b+e you can drive a 3.500kg vehicle towing any weight trailer so long as the combined weight does not exceed the train weight of towing vehicle. regardless of the kg. example `~iveco 3.5ookg chassis cab weighs 2.000kg can have 1,500kg on its back,and still tow a 5,200kg trailer. total 8,700kg.there may be others with greater weights but i have taken that from iveco,s literature sent to me afew years ago. it can be driven on b+e licence. base vehicle a 40c13 restricted to 3500kg to allow operation within the b+e driver licence category. hope this elps cheers alan.

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