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Here we are at Almerimar parking aire and we are having great banter with Pedro because he is flying the Jack upside down and he says he will change it if we decide to stay in the EU. No chance
Otherwise a good stopping place.
 
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Here is a bit more banter that you can have with Pedro, the flag he is flying is in fact the Union Flag, it is only called the Union Jack when flown on the jack stay of British warships flying the white ensign or other British registered boats empowered by royal warrant to fly the blue ensign. With a name like Pedro though - he can be forgiven :D
 

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Erect a Flag of St George upside down - that'll confuse him . . . . :)

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Hi popeye, I'm pretty sure it is only British vessels carrying the royal warrant, also it is requirement to hoist at dawn and lower at dusk, mind you things may have changed - I have been out of that game for a long time now :)
 

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Chief British Vexillologist stated in 2013 that the term '' Jack '' could only be used when the Union Flag is flown from a Jack staff at sea is incorrect . . . I personally have no idea :)

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Also... Flying it upside down, wasn't that meant to be like a distress or warning signal ???
Or is that an Urban myth..

Since someone explained the right way it should go I look at every flag i see to check..
 
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The Union Jack or The Union Flag?

When the ‘Union Jack’ was first introduced in 1606, it was known simply as ‘the British flag’ or ‘the flag of Britain’, and was ordered to be flown at the main masthead of all ships, warships and merchant ships, of both England and Scotland.

The first use of the name ‘Union’ appears in 1625. There are various theories as how it became known as the ‘Union Jack’, but most of the evidence points to the name being derived from the use of the word ‘jack’ as a diminutive. This word was in use before 1600 to describe a small flag flown from the small mast mounted on the bowsprit, and by 1627 it appears that a small version of the Union flag was commonly flown in this position. For some years it was called just ‘the Jack’, or ‘Jack flag’, or ‘the King’s Jack’, but by 1674, while formally referred to as ‘His Majesty’s Jack’, it was commonly called the Union Jack, and this was officially acknowledged.



In the 18th century the small mast on the bowsprit was replaced by staysails on the stays between the bowsprit and the foremast. By this time the Ensign had become the principal naval distinguishing flag, so it became the practice to fly the Union Jack only in harbour, on a specially rigged staff in the bows of the ships, the jackstaff. It should thus be noted that the jack flag had existed for over a hundred and fifty years before the jack staff came into being, and its name was related to its size rather than to the position in which it was flown.

It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that “the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag”.

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Surprising how many union flags are flown upside down. I always look when passing one and have done since my boy scouting days :LOL:
 

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He's obviously in distress because he ran aground.:rolleyes:

It's one of my pet hates to see the Union Flag inverted and have been known (much against Mrs icr wishes) to knock on doors to explain to the perpetrators the error of their ways.

I'm sure some countries would treat their flags being upside-down as a treasonable offense.
 

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Here we are at Almerimar parking aire and we are having great banter with Pedro because he is flying the Jack upside down and he says he will change it if we decide to stay in the EU. No chance
Otherwise a good stopping place.
A little ironic that you object to flying one union flag upside down but want to leave the union......

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I recall several years ago hearing Ian Paisley declaring that no one had the right to fly the flag of his country upside down . At the time I thought he was probably the only person that had noticed it on some building in Belfast.
 

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I recall several years ago hearing Ian Paisley declaring that no one had the right to fly the flag of his country upside down . At the time I thought he was probably the only person that had noticed it on some building in Belfast.
The Cote D'ivory (Ivory Coast) flag
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Becomes the Irish Flag when the pole is on the other side.
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As can be seen Belfast Loyalists don't know the difference
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Anyone know why the Union Flag does not have symmetry?

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I didn't but luckily Google did (y):D

The reason that the UK flag is not symmetrical is because of the relative positions of the saltires of St Patrick and St Andrew. The red saltire of St Patrick is offset such that it doesn't relegate the white saltire of St Andrew to a mere border. St Andrew's saltire has the higher position at the hoist side with St Patrick's saltire in the higher position on the opposite side.

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Thank you Mike you beat me to it, one thing though I think it is any British registered vessel not just Warships. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Not a sea farer but as far as i know......its not just British registered vessels, ALL ships/boats MUST fly the flag of their country of registration uppermost on the mast.
Any other flags can be flown below it..
 
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As a general rule the country ensign is only flown ON the mast while the Vessal is at sea, in port it's flown on the staff at the after end.
Other flags, ie; company house flag, signal flags, (pilot on board, I require Pilot, require doctor etc) and guest country ensign are flown on a halliard from the cross tree.
 

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Any other flags can be flown below it

NOt so quite Jim, any flags below the Courtesy flag must be the flag of the crew which of course might be many and varied.

The masthead flag or pennant is the commissioning pennant and bears the seniority of the most senior officer on board on a flagship or the cross of St George for all British naval vessels other than Flag-ships.

It gets quite hazy in various countries but the Registry Flag is flown from the Jack at the stern and denotes the country of registration.

The Union Flag when flown from a jack at the prow is usually when NOT under way or moored up or at anchor.

The Registry flag should be flown when entering or leaving harbour or when another vessel is encountered at sea and at all daylight times when in a foreign country.

It is also required that a courtesy pennant be flown on the Starboard side of a vessel in the highest position which should be the national flag of the Country closest.

Then you have to deal with Burgees when it all goes to shit.

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I thought Union meant the union between England Scotland Ireland and Wales.
NOT the bloody European union !!!
I hope we are brave enough to come out of the EU before all 500,000 of them decide to come and live here !!!
Yes I am a mean self interested sod !!
AND I wild camp :LOL::LOL::LOL:.
 

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It was suggested that the Welsh dragon be incorporated on the Union Flag as shown below.
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but some thought it should be this.
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Which one? You decide!

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It was suggested that the Welsh dragon be incorporated on the Union Flag as shown below.
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but some thought it should be this.
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Which one? You decide!

No. Just no.


The union flag is made up of the individual flags of the countries of the union.

Wales isn't a country and isn't technically part of the union so it's flag doesn't need to be included.
 

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No. Just no.


The union flag is made up of the individual flags of the countries of the union.

Wales isn't a country and isn't technically part of the union so it's flag doesn't need to be included.

But then again the Flag of Ireland with the Cross of St Patrick is rarely ever seen in Northern Ireland, they use this,
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So you could argue that this should be represented on the Union Flag!!

PS previous post was meant to be a joke, which obviously bombed:getmecoat:
 

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