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I wasn't going to post anything about this but it probably helps to talk about things so here goes.

Some may remember we lost our Jack Russell of seventeen years in March this year. We didn't rush out and get another dog but decided to try being dogless for a while.

After six months and realising being dogless didn't work for us we found a Patterdale/Border terrier cross near Monmouth and last Thursday we paid the owner a deposit and went off to a rally in Pembrokeshire, intending to pick the nine week old puppy on the way back.

On Friday we got a call from a very distressed lady, the pup had been stolen!

We dropped round there today to get our deposit back. The couple have an idea who might have taken it but have no proof. They were both, especially the husband, really cut up about it, as we were when we heard the news.

So, if you plan on breeding from your dog keep the litter under lock and key. There are criminals out there!
 
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What a shame,,im sorry. My best mate was a german shepherd for 11 years,another reason for my lifestyle change.. Hope you get luckier soon,,,
 
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Several Springers from here in the Forest of Dean have been stolen and apparently ended up in Momnouth area.
One of our lads is a dog trainer (x forces) and he says theres a notorious group / gang down there stealing dogs to order.

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What a shame,,im sorry. My best mate was a german shepherd for 11 years,another reason for my lifestyle change.. Hope you get luckier soon,,,
Yes, we are a bit sad about it, we "owned" him for less than 24 hours. A sort of canine miscarriage.
 
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Several Springers from here in the Forest of Dean have been stolen and apparently ended up in Momnouth area.
One of our lads is a dog trainer (x forces) and he says theres a notorious group / gang down there stealing dogs to order.
We saw several posters of missing dogs when we were in the area. Didn't put two and two together at the time. The pup was from Trellech.

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Patterdale? do they by any chance look similar to a Small poodle type dog? Sort of a grey very tight curl coat? I think they were breed to be a ratter in the Coal mines? if this is the same dog breed, they are very difficult to train, they have their own mind, and if they don't want to do it! neither hell or high water will make them do it
Perhaps crossbred with the Border Terrier, it would have given it some sense.
Anyway! sorry to hear about your disappointment, but, hey ho, it wasn't meant to be, and there will be another dog along soon to steal your heart, best of luck on that score(y)
 

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So sorry to read about this DBK, both for you two and the breeder.
Hope it gets sorted but not sure how......:(

Would you have considered a rescue dog a la Mrs Dux? ( sorry if I'm overstepping the mark & other rescue centres are available)

And yes, patterdales have a mind of their own....but then you were a JR owner (same as us) :)
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Sorry to hear about the pup. Our little border went to the bridge in July but now have another little 18 month old border girl. Hope the pup lands up in a good home and your next one is your ideal pup.

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Sorry I missed this earlier.

I was building a kennel for the puppy my brother just gifted me.
 
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Patterdale? do they by any chance look similar to a Small poodle type dog? Sort of a grey very tight curl coat? I think they were breed to be a ratter in the Coal mines? if this is the same dog breed, they are very difficult to train, they have their own mind, and if they don't want to do it! neither hell or high water will make them do it
Perhaps crossbred with the Border Terrier, it would have given it some sense.
Anyway! sorry to hear about your disappointment, but, hey ho, it wasn't meant to be, and there will be another dog along soon to steal your heart, best of luck on that score(y)
Patterdale are are very recent breed, dating from only the sixties. They were bred for catching foxes as was the Border Terrier, which is an older breed and an ancestor of the Patterdale.

All they need is lots of exercise and they should be fine. Without exercise they can go loopy as do several other breeds. We have come across a Patterdale recently which was owned by an elderly man, it was known in the family as the Devil Dog because it was vicious when it met other dogs.

Whatever dog we get will get lots of exercise and be taken to classes to learn to socialise with other dogs. We are going into this with open eyes! :)
 
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So sorry to read about this DBK, both for you two and the breeder.
Hope it gets sorted but not sure how......:(

Would you have considered a rescue dog a la Mrs Dux? ( sorry if I'm overstepping the mark & other rescue centres are available)

And yes, patterdales have a mind of their own....but then you were a JR owner (same as us) :)
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We will look at dog refuse centres, my father had a great yellow lab from one. :)
It's a long story how we found this pup so won't go into it now, but in a sense it was a reject as it was the last of the litter to be sold as it had a slightly wonky tail!

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So sorry to hear that Deebs - I'm a trainer and do a lot of work with the Kennel Club and various rescues. Dog theft is rife all over the UK and in parts of Europe. There are hundreds if not thousands of broken hearts over it - just another crime that police forces do not seem to have the resources to tackle seriously.
Good luck, my dear, in getting past it and finding your future best friend.
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So sorry to hear that Deebs - I'm a trainer and do a lot of work with the Kennel Club and various rescues. Dog theft is rife all over the UK and in parts of Europe. There are hundreds if not thousands of broken hearts over it - just another crime that police forces do not seem to have the resources to tackle seriously.
Good luck, my dear, in getting past it and finding your future best friend.
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It seems a shame that the police do not investigate more thoroughly; not only is it heartbreaking for many people but I would guess that those criminals involved in dog theft are involved with other crimes and that crime statistics can be improved substantially by locking these scum up.
 

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That's awful, sorry to read this.

Dog napping seems to rife in the UK. There is a plea on Facebook nearly every other day about stolen dogs, it certainly makes me very wary about my little dog and will not leave outside a shop or anywhere.

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Sorry to hear about the puppy DBK , we had a heads up on Friday about a couple of guys trying to snatch a kitten off of a driveway in our area
 
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Sorry to hear your sad news but a dog rescue or refuge might be a better place to start!
Not for everyone - and I work with rescue groups, and have always had rescues, but I'm a very experienced owner and trainer. A rescue doesn't suit every circumstance so try not to judge....

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Methinks thou needs to read the bold word in the DBK's quote I used!;) Predictive text or spell checker completely changes the meaning!
 
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We've had cross Jack Russells and they are very lively and independent little dogs, and now have a full bred Patterdale ... I can tell you that the Patterdale has more 'attitude' than any other dog we've had! She's an absolute lovely girl, and can be extremely affectionate and loves us to bits but she is also quite feisty and definitely has a mind of her own, if she doesn't want to do sometning we know about it - she doesn't bite just makes appropriate noises! She'll take any dog on if necessary, although she does get on with them too so it's not usually a scrap unless there's a threat of some sort then it doesn't matter if it's 20 times her size, she'll defend her sisters/home to the end if needs be ... in that regard she's fearless but set a firework off and she's a quivvering heap!

Forget to say, her name's Lily ... after Lily Savage! :D

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Sorry to hear your sad news but a dog rescue or refuge might be a better place to start!
Methinks thou needs to read the bold word in the DBK's quote I used!;) Predictive text or spell checker completely changes the meaning!
... Freudian slip ... dogs do have litters after all! :rolleyes:
 
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I know and can understand someone wishing to acquire a specific breed pup but if fewer people did so puppy farming would decline. Honest and caring breeders would still exist. Most breed rescues can offer pups although a wait may be involved.
 
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having worked for years in dog "rescue" I can honestly say the word "recycling" is often more appropriate. the number one reason for a dog being put into a rescue is because of marriage/relationship breakdown, closely followed by moving or losing a home. those dogs tend to be fine to "recycle" to a new family. true rescue though is really hard on your emotions and affects everyone working on the cases and often the dogs too. abused animals need special homes that understand the job they are taking on. It is normally very rewarding though as you develop a special bond with such dogs

dog theft has been a major issue for years with certain groups using stolen dogs as a lucrative income stream

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I know and can understand someone wishing to acquire a specific breed pup but if fewer people did so puppy farming would decline. Honest and caring breeders would still exist. Most breed rescues can offer pups although a wait may be involved.

Part of the reason we chose the breed we chose was because, in general, the breed doesn't attract the farms and actually in fact most of the breeders aren't commercial breeders. The breed isn't KC recognised and the most common place to find them is in working dog kennels where two working dogs have been allowed to breed

Of course, the main reason we chose this breed is because they are georgesous..so much so even @dawnb loves them

As regards the original post, its amazing to me that anybody will steal a dog but I suppose an unchipped pup is almost untraceable once they are gone.
 
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Part of the reason we chose the breed we chose was because, in general, the breed doesn't attract the farms and actually in fact most of the breeders aren't commercial breeders. The breed isn't KC recognised and the most common place to find them is in working dog kennels where two working dogs have been allowed to breed

Of course, the main reason we chose this breed is because they are georgesous..so much so even @dawnb loves them

As regards the original post, its amazing to me that anybody will steal a dog but I suppose an unchipped pup is almost untraceable once they are gone.

Has the seller got in touch with local vets etc to inform them of the theft? Anyone with a young pup would more than likely be visiting soon to get the vaccinations done. Just a thought.

However what you were getting was NOT a breed ... it was a cross-breed ... whilst I appreciate nowadays these 'first cross' dogs are popular they are not a breed but what used to commonly called a mongrel ... I've had loads of mongrels, Heinz 57s, or whatever you wanted to call them but they are not 'breeds'. It annoys me that those who have 'bred' them call them a breed because they are not ... it seems to give them licence to print money as they charge nearly as much as a genuine breed.

Don't get me wrong, there's NOTHING wrong with cross-breed or full-breed ones, and Lily is the only full-breed dog I've ever had who we chose as she was the right size, sex etc to fit in with our family (not because of her breed), but I do feel that if cross-breeds didn't command such a high price then there wouldn't be so many of them produced, hence less 'discarded' dogs in rescue centres - I know you get full-breed dogs in them too but not nearly as many.
 
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Things like this, and the theft of your puppy are a sad reminder that there are plenty of freeloaders in our society who can't or won't pay for things, choosing instead to take other peoples belongings.

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Has the seller got in touch with local vets etc to inform them of the theft? Anyone with a young pup would more than likely be visiting soon to get the vaccinations done. Just a thought.

However what you were getting was NOT a breed ... it was a cross-breed ... whilst I appreciate nowadays these 'first cross' dogs are popular they are not a breed but what used to commonly called a mongrel ... I've had loads of mongrels, Heinz 57s, or whatever you wanted to call them but they are not 'breeds'. It annoys me that those who have 'bred' them call them a breed because they are not ... it seems to give them licence to print money as they charge nearly as much as a genuine breed.

Don't get me wrong, there's NOTHING wrong with cross-breed or full-breed ones, and Lily is the only full-breed dog I've ever had who we chose as she was the right size, sex etc to fit in with our family (not because of her breed), but I do feel that if cross-breeds didn't command such a high price then there wouldn't be so many of them produced, hence less 'discarded' dogs in rescue centres - I know you get full-breed dogs in them too but not nearly as many.
Er, yes to the first question and yes I suppose to the second one if it was asking if we knew what we were buying! We've had many dogs and I've been around dogs all my life, mostly gun dogs to begin with but terriers more recently.

And for those who mentioned rescue centres we had already checked our local ones and would have looked again if we hadn't come across this one by accident. :)
 
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Really got to apolgise @DBK It was the BEDLINGTON TERRIER I was refering to, had to check with the B i L as he had one, absolute nutter of a dog
So sorry really got it mixed up!
 
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Really got to apolgise @DBK It was the BEDLINGTON TERRIER I was refering to, had to check with the B i L as he had one, absolute nutter of a dog
So sorry really got it mixed up!
Wierd looking dogs Bedlingtons, perhaps it saw itself in a mirror and went bonkers? "You bred me to look like this?" :)
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