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Hi all,

I'd like to purchase a spare replacement ignition key for a 2010 Fiat ducato based c class, do people go direct to Fiat or are there other suppliers out there that people can recommend?

thanks in advance

Andy
 

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When we bought our current van (2003 Ducato) it only had one ignition key. The dealer arranged a second one through the local Fiat truck garage. It was delivered to the garage and we had to take the van to have it coded. Cost about £210 some 3 and a half years ago. Happily for us the dealer we bought it from reimbursed us.
 

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Are you after the key with the remote fob or just a "dumb" key? The former I suspect will have to come from a Fiat dealer and at a wild guess might cost around £200! There may be other options for a plain key. Have a look on eBay.

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Might be worth asking your local Timsons I was very surprised they could supply a ford key and code it from the original at very reasonable price. This was for a Ford key with transponder.
 

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Unfortunately you can only get an x250 or later Fiat remote key and fob from Fiat - you have to let them see your V5 doc and they then do some checks, then they order the key in and once in, you then have to take your original in and they code the new one to match which takes around an hour.

We did this for our previous PVC (2012 model) and it cost somewhere between £250 and £280 I think - this was 3 years ago so I expect the cost will have risen!
 

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Another thought which I've posted on another thread - if you have an alarm fob which works the central locking, and simply want a second remote key fob, get another one for the alarm and a basic Fiat key for the ignition for when you need it - this should work out a lot cheaper.

On our current PVC we had a remote Fiat fob with key, and a standard key, so when we had an alarm fitted we just got a fob for it to work the locking.

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Thanks for all the reply's,

the alarm is off a separate keyfob (growler) but I think I'll go down the basic key route as personally I think £250+ quid is a bit OTT!!!

so can you get the basic keys from non Fiat suppliers?

Andy
 

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Thanks for all the reply's,

the alarm is off a separate keyfob (growler) but I think I'll go down the basic key route as personally I think £250+ quid is a bit OTT!!!

so can you get the basic keys from non Fiat suppliers?

Andy
As I said Timsons £55, they will need access to the van, so don't go to one in a shopping centre, a lot of the larger Tescos & Sainsbury's have a Timsons outside.

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Got my blank from China....£3.50.

But then, I did have the electronics board in a broken key so simply swapped it over.

Just need a market trader to cut the blank....Timpsons won't cut what they don't supply.
 
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I got a 2014 Ducato key cut and coded at a local shop £45 I had to take the vehicle because half the code comes from the vehicle. Timpsons told me they could do it without the vehicle but this is impossible. The local Fiat dealer tried to stitch me up quoting crazy prices.
 

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I got a 2014 Ducato key cut and coded at a local shop £45 I had to take the vehicle because half the code comes from the vehicle. Timpsons told me they could do it without the vehicle but this is impossible. The local Fiat dealer tried to stitch me up quoting crazy prices.
I assume you are just talking about a standard key with the chip in it, not the 'flick' type key and remote fob combo?

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Timpsons did mine ( 2007 X250 ) for £32 last year And that is a coded key
 

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Just a thought.. there is a difference between a coded key and a remote control key
The coded key is chipped but has no buttons.
A common misconception is that the key is coded.. Nope.
The key is a pretty inert bit of kit.. You have to program the ECU to accept the new key ( often limited to a maximum of 4 keys ).. This is why you have to take the van to the key supplier

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Just a thought.. there is a difference between a coded key and a remote control key
The coded key is chipped but has no buttons.
A common misconception is that the key is coded.. Nope.
The key is a pretty inert bit of kit.. You have to program the ECU to accept the new key ( often limited to a maximum of 4 keys ).. This is why you have to take the van to the key supplier
On the 2014 Ducatos there is a transponder in the key which has to be matched to the vehicle, you program the key- not the vehicle ECU.
 

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On the 2014 Ducatos there is a transponder in the key which has to be matched to the vehicle, you program the key- not the vehicle ECU.
no the chip in the key is set at manufacture like a dog microchip. the ecu reads the code and checks it against the registered keys. to register a new key you need the original and have to know how to enter programming mode. well thats the explanation given to me by a friend who is a master locksmith and specialises in vehicles
 

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On the 2014 Ducatos there is a transponder in the key which has to be matched to the vehicle, you program the key- not the vehicle ECU.

Yes, there is a chip in the key but it is inert.. It is not possible to program it in any way
Sorry Steve, no idea where you got the info from mate, but go back and clip 'em round the ear !! ;)

In the key there is a tuned circuit that actives when RF is detected from the ring mounted under the ignition barrel .. That tiny amount of RF is enough to fire up the circuit in the chip and allow the key to be 'read'

I have to do plenty of bike ones and believe it or not they use the same type of chip in almost all keys.. cars, lorries, vans and yes, bikes.

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Yes, there is a chip in the key but it is inert.. It is not possible to program it in any way
Sorry Steve, no idea where you got the info from mate, but go back and clip 'em round the ear !! ;)

In the key there is a tuned circuit that actives when RF is detected from the ring mounted under the ignition barrel .. That tiny amount of RF is enough to fire up the circuit in the chip and allow the key to be 'read'

I have to do plenty of bike ones and believe it or not they use the same type of chip in almost all keys.. cars, lorries, vans and yes, bikes.
I am getting a house key cut tomorrow at the same place so I will ask him exactly how he does it.
Steve
 

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Ask away.. I have been doing the job for 15 years.. Chances are you are gonna talk to an ex double glazing salesman who has been told the basics and has little idea of how these things really work ! ;)
 

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The problem with the basic dumb key is it only opens the driver's door on our PVC. This means you have to enter the 'van through the driver's door in order to open the other doors from the inside. Which is fun when the driver's seat is turned around!

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The problem with the basic dumb key is it only opens the driver's door on our PVC. This means you have to enter the 'van through the driver's door in order to open the other doors from the inside. Which is fun when the driver's seat is turned around!
... and if as we had with our previous van, you have the Fiat fitted alarm you have to then stick the ruddy key in the ignition to turn it off ... not easy in the dark and the sleeping neighbours aren't best pleased either!
 

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On the 2014 Ducatos there is a transponder in the key which has to be matched to the vehicle, you program the key- not the vehicle ECU.
That was my experience. I had a replacement key made for our car by a local locksmith. He had a machine which read the code from the one key we had and then used it to program the new key. He never went near the vehicle.

However, there are different systems used and as I understand it in many vehicles the code isn't fixed but is a rolling code and changes every time the key is used.

The chip doesn't have a battery but is powered from a coil which picks up a magnetic field from a coil at the ignition switch.
 
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The difference between a key made by a high street shop and a proper dealer is. The high street shop clones the key you take in, and the proper dealer programmes a new key onto your vehicle. Both will work. However some vehicles (many Fords) you can add a new key onto the ecu if you have 2 original keys. So one original and a clone key are seen as the same key to the ecu and wont allow you to add a third key.
Suzuki wanted a fortune for a basic no remote key for my wifes last car, We got a clone for £25 and it always worked with no issues. On my Jag I programmed a new key myself as I had 2 original keys.

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Yes, there is a chip in the key but it is inert.. It is not possible to program it in any way
Sorry Steve, no idea where you got the info from mate, but go back and clip 'em round the ear !! ;)

In the key there is a tuned circuit that actives when RF is detected from the ring mounted under the ignition barrel .. That tiny amount of RF is enough to fire up the circuit in the chip and allow the key to be 'read'

I have to do plenty of bike ones and believe it or not they use the same type of chip in almost all keys.. cars, lorries, vans and yes, bikes.
 
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Ask away.. I have been doing the job for 15 years.. Chances are you are gonna talk to an ex double glazing salesman who has been told the basics and has little idea of how these things really work ! ;)
I visited the shop that did my spare ignition key for 2014 Ducato today and asked him how he did it. After the new key is cut a blank transponder chip is inserted into the key. You then have to collect the code from the vehicle by starting it with the original key while holding a retrieval unit near the steering column. This code is different every time you start up and you only have few minutes to return to the key coder to in order to copy it to the key. You can copy as many keys as you like as the ECU is not involved in the process. This guy has been cutting keys for 29 years and has never been a double glazing salesman. D Hughes & Son, 8 Church St, Llangefni, Anglesey LL77 7DU 01248 724733 maybe he could teach you a thing or two.
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I visited the shop that did my spare ignition key for 2014 Ducato today and asked him how he did it. After the new key is cut a blank transponder chip is inserted into the key. You then have to collect the code from the vehicle by starting it with the original key while holding a retrieval unit near the steering column. This code is different every time you start up and you only have few minutes to return to the key coder to in order to copy it to the key. You can copy as many keys as you like as the ECU is not involved in the process. This guy has been cutting keys for 29 years and has never been a double glazing salesman. D Hughes & Son, 8 Church St, Llangefni, Anglesey LL77 7DU 01248 724733 maybe he could teach you a thing or two.
Steve[/QUOTE]

Hi Steve
what was the cost of the key please?

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I visited the shop that did my spare ignition key for 2014 Ducato today and asked him how he did it. After the new key is cut a blank transponder chip is inserted into the key. You then have to collect the code from the vehicle by starting it with the original key while holding a retrieval unit near the steering column. This code is different every time you start up and you only have few minutes to return to the key coder to in order to copy it to the key. You can copy as many keys as you like as the ECU is not involved in the process. This guy has been cutting keys for 29 years and has never been a double glazing salesman. D Hughes & Son, 8 Church St, Llangefni, Anglesey LL77 7DU 01248 724733 maybe he could teach you a thing or two.
Steve

Hi Steve
what was the cost of the key please?[/QUOTE]
£45
 

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I am saying absolutely nothing........................... The key type used in Ducatos after 2006 is a Philips Crypto ID46
It has a maximum of 60 variants per key so not unlimited..
If you use something like a Bianchi Repli-hub ( also called replic-code ) and matching decoder box or an AD900 unit, you can clone the key your self really easily..
I only mention this as using one will also give you all the info on the chip .. in the case of the Crypto ID46 that is 60 possible encryptions per write..

In your case he is CLONING you old key chip using something like I mentioned above, not supplying a new to the vehicle item.

He may well be able to teach me several things, especially about cutting keys...
but as electronics is my first bow string, encryption at RF level ( in three different packages ) is my second, and designing half the stuff we all thought was great back in the day, I suspect he may struggle when it comes to key coding (y)


As a cloner can be bought for AROUND £120 perhaps we should buy one our selves..
After all, the blank keys are about £5, so if we bought a unit and charged £10 to clone a key, once it was paid for all the other lolly could be donated to Jims favorite charity (y)

Take the unit to shows, bet a whole lot of folk would have one done as a handy spare.....
 

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